Biden is seriously talking about arming Ukraine with nukes because he thinks Russia will surrender to Ukraine under threat of nuclear war. Me? I think that Zelinsky will use one as soon as he gets them.
No, this is the left saying that they would rather destroy the world than let Trump be President.
Either way, this ends with the world’s first nuclear war. I need to start building my bomb shelter.
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Riddle · November 26, 2024 at 3:29 pm
Sheeit. These people are crazy.
Milton · November 26, 2024 at 4:00 pm
Yeah, so we understand the bad feelings that members of the biden administration could have, but how could an order issued under pedojoe’s name be carried out? OBVIOUSLY, the order is not from The President. Who would have the balls to issue it, and who wouldn’t have the balls to refuse to implement it?
I couldn’t just follow orders on that one. Could you?
dc · November 26, 2024 at 5:12 pm
Former Personnel Reliability Program member here; I would not participate in handling/loading unless we were legitimately under attack. Glad to not have this responsibility anymore.
What would Traitor Milley say?
Aesop · November 26, 2024 at 4:09 pm
Just curious about how that digging plan will work out with FL’s water table.
We won’t even talk about a fallout map.
Living amidst a good half-dozen nuke targets myself, I’m past getting worked up about something which ultimately doesn’t matter in the long run. It either happens, or it doesn’t, so either way, it’s not worth the worry.
People in the Central OR coastal region can afford to take a more nuanced view, but not much of anybody else between the coasts.
Don’t overlook the obvious: We give Zelensky a couple of dozen correctly-painted casings.
Maybe even put a detectable quantity of the right isotopes inside, too small to do anything but satisfy anyone with a Geiger counter, and look good for the news cameras from 100 yards away.
Better yet, we just help Ukraine make their own bomb(s), and sit back and watch without getting our hands dirty at all.
Suddenly, for the first time, Pooty-poot has to decide if he thinks taking out Kiev or Odessa is worth trading for Moscow or St. Petersburg.
And Russia and Ukraine are back at the 1991 status quo ante, prior to Ukraine foolishly giving up all their Soviet-era nuke arsenal, in return for worthless promises of Russian and U.S. guarantees to respect their territorial integrity. (No one asking you to give up your weapons has your best interests at heart. Ever.)
{Bonus play: a demonstration device with a modest yield is detonated in the middle of the Black Sea, far from anyone’s land mass, and Russia is advised they’re no longer a unilateral owner of nuclear weapons in the conflict. 500 generals’ britches are promptly shat in the Kremlin. Even odds at that point whether his own cabinet, or the residents of Moscow, string Putin up first.
Nota bene that given enough time, Ukraine will develop their own nukes, whether we provide them with some or not. They might just as well cut to the chase, and say they have them anyways, and we don’t have to do anything. Anyone who believes Ukraine would or will do otherwise out of some sense of altruism after the ass-raping their country has been handed by Moscow should contact me about purchasing a bridge I have for sale.}
Russia opting to give back Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk with grudging apologies doesn’t seem as far-fetched at that point, and neither does Putin’s sudden retirement party, long a feature of Russian politics for centuries. The Russian Army has already shown the world for three years now how well their tanks can travel in reverse when necessary.
There is still only one aggressor in this pointless conflict, and they’re still 100% to blame for the whole mess.
The day they march back to Russia in toto, this whole thing goes away.
If Russia is still unwilling to end it no matter what, after 1000+ days of Putin ordering the Russian military to beat its own face into a brick wall, it’s beyond clear who the problem child is in the equation. FWIW, Finland and Sweden – the later breaking 210 years of absolute neutrality, and both sharing a common border with that belligerent – figured that out years ago.
And Putin’s behavior is now the main argument for every other country which already has or acquires nuclear weapons to never, never, ever give them up, under any circumstances. Along with vividly demonstrating why Russia can never be trusted again, short of certain leaders’ heads being mounted on pikes along the Kremlin walls and left on continuous display for some number of years.
The potential worldwide blowback has been a major downer since Russia invaded, but it’s also exactly when they’re now back at the head of the pack of worldwide pariah states, and communism is now nothing but a scapegoat for what has proven to be their leadership’s perpetual character defects.
They’re not getting back to anywhere they want to be in our lifetimes, if ever, and they’ve only themselves to blame.
JimmyPx · November 26, 2024 at 10:03 pm
Aesop, I had a whole retort ready to go but I know that you sometimes read BCE’s site and we just discussed this at length.
The US PROMISED under Bush I that we would NEVER expand NATO.
We of course lied and have expanded and expanded and now there are NATO countries on the Russian border in the Baltics. Russia said over and over that Ukraine needed to be a NEUTRAL country and NEVER a member of NATO.
In 2014, Victoria Nuland openly admitted that they funded the overthrow of the democratically elected Ukraine government and installed literal Nazis in to power. These people then started attacking Ukrainians of Russian descent in the Donbass.
To settle this Ukraine and Russia signed the Minsk Accords. The Ukrainians immediately did not do what they agreed to and the German Chancellor Merkle said publicly last year that the Minsk Accords were BS to placate Russia to give NATO time to build up the Ukrainian Army. NATO spent 8 years pumping gear and “advisors” into Ukraine while there was a Civil War in the Donbass.
Finally in 2022 it was announced that they were going to have Ukraine join NATO and Russia said “no way and that is an existential threat to the Russian state that they can never allow”.
Zelensky told Putin to screw himself so Russia attacked. Right after, Russia and Ukraine met behind closed doors to put an end to it. Ukraine was going to agree but Biden and British PM Boris Johnson convinced Zelensky to tell the Russians to screw themselves.
So 2 years later here we are and I don’t blame the Russians one bit. Would we tolerate the Chinese having “advisors” in Mexico and arming up the Mexican Army to attack us ?? Hell NO we wouldn’t and neither are the Russians.
Putin isn’t some mad dog conquerer…that’s Neocon BS…he was forced into this by Joe Biden, Boris Johnson and Zelensky. Those SOBs have the blood of over 1 million people on their hands but hey their Military Industrial Complex pals have made a fortune and the kick backs have been rolling in to them and their Neocon politician buddies.
Big Ruckus D · November 27, 2024 at 8:07 am
The fact this keeps being willfully overlooked (or flatly denied) by so many people just pisses me off. What @JimmyPx posted above is all established fact, not speculation, supposition, or “misinformation”. It has all been openly admitted to by the key parties responsible, just as he outlined. For fucks sake, the US has been an open and willful antagonist against Russia since barely after the ink dried on the first agreements made with post-Soviet Russia not to locate our military resources (even if disguised as NATO) right on their front door step.
The US is at the root of the mess in Ukraine, exactly because they wanted to (and have) repeatedly poked a dick in Russia’s eye by breaking agreements and then copping a “what are you gonna do about it, bitch?” flippant attitude. Well, we see what they are doing about it now, and yet still act like entitled pricks. If anyone thinks that sort of posture is going to fly in a multipolar world where the US is no longer the sole superpower, they need to get their minds right and consider that we need to be more measured and diplomatic in these matters (and actually honor the terms of treaties already made) before someone else (Russia and/or China) decides to rip our nuts off. And they both have – and are further developing – that capability as we speak, while our military has gotten stagnant, understaffed and riven through with faggots and freaks who won’t last 5 minutes in a real engagement.
If the present bad attitude of the US regarding these matters goes on as it has, we will see real consequences. And all because some butthurt bureaucrats of a particular persuasion have a never ending personal grudge against Russia. They need to grow up and stop acting like shit talking schoolyard bullies who get what they want by domination and violence, because the fights they are picking now have counter parties who can actually hit back and make it hurt, while the machine they count on to do their smack downs has lost it’s edge. The really bad news is that it looks as if in the warning days of the potato joey administration, that they’ve decided to go all in and stir the shit enough to get us a real ass kicking. Damned fools.
EN2 SS · November 28, 2024 at 7:25 am
One little picky disagreement with your post, Big Ruckus D, demoncrats/leftists/communists are not ‘fools’, they are Evil with a capital E.
Divemedic · November 27, 2024 at 8:49 am
It’s worse than that. You have to remember that Russia was invaded by armies traveling through Ukraine twice during the 20th century, costing some 25 million lives, which was 1 in 7 Russians.
Fear of invasion is almost a national pasttime in Russia.
Big Ruckus D · November 27, 2024 at 1:18 pm
True enough, though I didn’t chose to add that further history to my already lengthy reply. My point was simply to convey that those who are claiming this is just Russian aggression that must be beat back and punished are starting on page 295 of a 300 page story, and entirely ignoring all the pretext that lead up to where things stand now regarding Ukraine and Russia’s invasion of it.
That’s an awfully convenient way to try and absolve ones own side of it’s sins and blatant, purposeful fuckups. It further blows off any acknowledgement that the US has continuously acted in bad faith towards Russia (who after suffering the indignity of economic collapse 3 decades ago is now back in the game) for the entirety of the post-Soviet era. It also ignores the fact that Russia has its own strategic interests. Why anyone would think it reasonable to tell another sovereign nation that concerns it holds over the defense of its own territories are not legitimate is beyond me. It is the most outrageous two faced, hypocritical bullshit conceivable, considering the US govt would be squealing like a little bitch, and would be reacting just as Russia has towards our provocation via Ukraine.
But then the last several years of US governance both domestically and abroad has been a master class in “you will do what we say, irrespective of the rank exposition of double standards, and fuck off if you don’t like it” style management. COVID policies, anyone? Even now, we are getting revelations weekly of how dirty they played us over that one. Some of us knew all along, others will have to be dragged into the daylight of reality by their dicks, while resisting violently the whole way screaming “we don’t wanna know!” Same/same as regards having to admit the truth on why Russia has done what they did with Ukraine, and why the US is the real bad actor in it.
The essence of the US government is that of a two faced, dissembling cunt that repeatedly breaks it’s own “rules” whenever they become inconvenient to an objective it is seeking to accomplish, and then seeks to destroy those who rightfully point out their perfidious bullshit. Straight up tyrants of the worst kind, all while wearing the skin suit of lady liberty and still trying to claim it holds the moral high ground. Fuck these lying, smugly self righteous sacks of shit, they need an attitude adjustment. Maybe Putin ends up giving it to them, right up the ass. I’ll make a Thanksgiving toast to the man if he does so in the next 24 hours. Somebody is going to do it sooner or later, that much is certain.
Aesop · November 27, 2024 at 5:48 pm
Coddling Russian paranoia is not, nor ever was, in the U.S. national interest.
Russia should come out from under the bed and smell the flowers.
And they should also notice what they as a nation did and do that may have caused everyone else but the Axis of Tyranny to treat them as precisely the fetal alcohol syndrome monsters they prove to be, century after century.
They are Mexico, but with nuclear weapons.
If they’d stay inside their own borders with their delusions and predations, no one would give a wet fart for them.
Aesop · November 27, 2024 at 5:42 pm
How nice. Unfortunately, there’s no factual basis for what you’re claiming, and in fact, it has been unfailingly rejected by everyone west of Russia.
On the other hand, we did, by ratified treaty, absolutely guarantee Ukraine’s territorial integrity as of the borders when it declared independence in 1991, in return for their surrender of all Soviet-era nuclear weapons, which they foolishly did. (Russia agreed to guarantee the same thing regarding Ukraine’s “inviolable” borders, but that was four Russian invasions of Ukraine ago, so we can see what Russian treaty promises – and any concern with Western opinion – are worth in the real world once they think they’re strong enough to conquer whomever they want.)
Feel free to reconcile that truth with your other statement at your convenience, and let us know how that impacts the decision process.
When Russia withdraws from all Ukrainian territory, renounces their prior annexations of the parts they’ve already grabbed, apologizes profusely for four invasions and a brutal and pointless three-year war, and makes full reparations for starting it needlessly, I’m sure we could agree to take NATO membership for Ukraine off the table going forward.
Not before. Historically, we’ve always abided by the principle that free nations in Europe can and should do whatever the fuck they choose to do, based on exactly a real world understanding of Russian trustworthiness.
Explain why we should abandon that principle because we somehow owe it to the country that’s invaded Ukraine 4 times since 1991.
If Putin isn’t willing to pull out and prove good faith, leaving him with Ukraine pointing a nuclear gun at his head is probably the only way to get him to stop now, return what he took, and prevent him from ever thinking about doing it again.
Certainly nothing else has, including feeding half his army into a meatgrinder since it began.
Bear well in mind that Ukraine could –and probably and inevitably will– develop a nuclear weapon and small arsenal without our consent or permission on their own, and tell Putin the same damned thing, without us lifting a finger either way.
Then what?
And if we don’t honor the promise we absolutely made to Ukraine in exchange for non-proliferation, or they break that out of a justified desire for self-preservation, it rings the bell for 47 other countries worldwide to say “Fuck it!” and start building their own nuclear arsenal in earnest, since our own promises are simply so much empty bullshit.
Tell us, one and all, how you think that development is going to impact world affairs for the rest of your lifetime.
Start, just for openers, with the response of Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Australia, once it becomes apparent that US nuclear shield policies are so much horseshit, with China gearing up to go on an expansionist rampage.
Then ponder a bit how every country in East Asia is going to react to a newly nuclear-armed Japan, based on their last century of interactions with the land of the Rising Sun.
Then we can talk about the prospect of nuclear weapons in Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico. South Africa already did it once, and could again. Nigeria has the wherewithal, if not the infrastructure. Cuba and the Philippines also have nuclear plants.
You’d trade one regional war for WW III in twenty countries, none of them in Europe.
That’s the mistake of the idiots who think this conflict only effects the sh*theads in Kiev or Moscow, and the minions under their sway.
“WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein
As to Putin’s oft-lied premise that we reneged on a promise , it’s entirely bullshit spewed solely by Putin. Color me shocked.
Feel free to point out the treaty wherein we promised NATO would never be enlarged. Oh, wait, that never happened:
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm
https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
You’ve got literal eyewitnesses, including Gorbachev himself, on record as saying no such assurances were contemplated nor expressed. In fact, exactly the opposite was agreed upon – that all nations in Europe would be free to choose their own alliances – and that was well before the Soviet Union as an entity completely ceased to exist.
Then answer the key question after that:
Did we drag in all those nations that have joined NATO since 1991, with them kicking and screaming not to be; or have they all freely and earnestly petitioned the entire alliance for entry overwhelmingly because of Russia’s behavior?
People whinging at the current state of affairs should try looking at the whole board, not cherry-picking just a couple of pieces on it, and treating Russian propaganda as settled fact..
Most of Europe’s problems with Russia go away the minute Russia puts Putin’s head on a platter, withdraws from Ukraine once and for all, and learns to get along with its neighbors as such, rather than seeing them as the next province of Mother Russia to be annexed. This is no small part of why the most strident opponents of Russia within NATO are all the former Warsaw Pact nations voluntold they were behind the Iron Curtain from 1945-1991, and the Scandinavian countries nearest them.
Your ball.
Alex Lund · November 28, 2024 at 12:06 pm
Please explain to me, why the entire world has to accept the Monroe Doctrine (if you want to do something on the american continent – regardless if it is North, Middle or South – you have to have the permission of Washington, but at the same time has to refuse the russian version of it?
The USA couldnt abide by russian nukes on Cuba in the 1960 and we went nearly to war. So, I would say that the same applies to Russia. If nukes of a rival /enemy of the USA are not permitted to be within a certain range of the USA, then Russia / China etc has the right to demand the same and everybody has to abide by it.
Tu Quoque – latin law principle.
Aesop · November 28, 2024 at 9:04 pm
The Monroe Doctrine was empty words until about 1900, backed up prior to that by the British navy, not the American one.
By contrast, the Russian Navy was a world-class joke until the late 1950s (see to how Japan handed the Czar his own ass circa 1905), and Russia can’t tell the rest of Europe to stay out of Europe.
That much is taught by middle school.
So you slept a good bit in social studies, I’ll wager.
What “you would say” unfortunately has no parallel in reality. Putin would love it, but alas, there is no such thing as “a Russian version of the Monroe Doctrine”. They took Eastern Europe after playing for both sides in WWII, and only then because Britain and France were too gutted and exhausted to stop them, and we were too penetrated by Soviet-leaning fellow travelers to call them out when we could have done so, yet another thing Patton got spot-on.
China’s going to find that goes for them too, about 15 seconds after most of the Pacific Rim inevitably develops their own nuclear answer to China, independent of anything we wish or say.
That’s exactly the Brave New World Russian military adventurism has gotten us to.
Best wishes with that status quo for the next 50-100 years.
Alex Lund · November 30, 2024 at 1:07 pm
It may be that the Monroe Doctrine was weak or not enforced before 1900 but it is NOW enforced.
And it doesnt matter if a fleet is considered a joke as you put it. What matters is Today. And I dont consider russian nukes a joke.
And it doesnt matter if there is no russian politician who wrote a russian version of the Monroe Doctrine (and called it gfor instance the Komarow principle/ Breshnew doctrine etc). As I said: It is Tu Quoque. Whatever rights / advantages (or however you want to call it) you use for your country, can any other country also demand.
The enforcement is of course another issue. So, if Ghana wants to enforce some sort of Monroe Doctrine they are in an entirely different position then the USA or Russia.
Every country has interests and a sphere of influence. The farther you move away from that country the less influence it has. Provided it has no military bases there. And Ukraine falls clearly falls into the russian sphere of influence by distance.
And please remember Finland. They were also in the russian sphere of influence but neutral They bought 50% of their weapons in the West and the other 50% in the East. They were westernized and Russia didnt care because they played by the book. Ukraine and the West did not in the last years. They were not honest. And Merkel of Germany even admitted it.
And by the way, your personal attack on me is not appreciated. Please refrain in the future. Thank you.
Big Ruckus D · November 28, 2024 at 3:05 pm
This aptly encapsulates my larger overarching point. There was a period of time when the US had unipolar status as the world’s superpower, and could throw enough weight and capability around to impose such an obviously imbalanced approach to international policy. Not that it was ever “right” to behave so arrogantly (as these things always come back to bite one in the ass when circumstances eventually change the balance of power).
But, that time is now over, with other countries being ascendant, and the US being badly in decline by almost any metric one could measure. And despite that, US leadershit continues to delude itself into thinking it can comport itself like it’s 1991. All that is doing now is pissing off the rest of the world, and racking up more deferred retribution for the hubris being demonstrated daily.
TakeAHardLook · November 30, 2024 at 9:44 am
We are “pissing off the rest of the world” yet “the rest of the world” has always shown no difficulty–and no appreciation–for the hundreds of billions of dollars that we lavish on their nations.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
I am not so naive to believe for a nanosecond that those monies trickle down to the populace. As in UKR, we send the cash but we don’t send the forensic accountants to see that it is well-spent.
Likely, it goes in by the pallet load, and leaves by the suitcase.
As is well-depicted/documented by all those photos of UKR functionaries’ wives carting off OUR money for their personal aggrandizement.
Our hundreds of billions already squandered for Ukraine’s war is NOTHING–a drop in the bucket–compared to the soon-to-be launched REBUILDING OF UKRAINE.
WAIT. FOR. IT. “Halliburton, here I come.”
Fuck them all.
Michael · November 27, 2024 at 7:17 am
Wow, just wow. While I knew you had no family to protect or total lack of interest in protecting them (given a Nurse can WORK ANYWHERE so spare me the BS of my job) I’ve misunderstood your hatred of Russia.
Hopefully saner heads stop the madness before the Potatoes OWNERS rule over the ashtray that ONCE was America.
Aesop · November 27, 2024 at 5:43 pm
Wrong again. Your batting average on guessing about my life remains 0.000.
Walk tall.
Anon · November 26, 2024 at 4:34 pm
Might be worthwhile to peruse ki4u.com as it has a lot of free information regarding radiation exposure mitigation. (not my website)
Anon
TakeAHardLook · November 30, 2024 at 9:50 am
Good site! First, though, we must be able to detect the radiation. Unless in the center three rings of a nuclear blast there are a lot of things that a family can do to survive.
Make a KFM for a few dollars, for starters:
http://www.ki4u.com/kfm.htm
Elrod · November 26, 2024 at 5:16 pm
Someone needs to call the grownups mucho pronto to establish some rationality in the White House. No one seemed to object If Slow Joe wanders about aimlessly, staring off into space while filling his Depends – which, it seems, he’s been doing for most of the past 4 years – but THIS proves it’s long past time for someone, anyone, in the cabinet to activate the 25th Amendment RFN. Problem is, there’s no one in the cabinet he – or, rather, whomever is running him (three guesses and they all start with “Obama”) assembled that’s significantly better in the rational thought department.
“Elections have consequences” has never been more true. All the fucking crazy cat ladies, transsexual assholes, and democrat election fraudsters who put him in the White House in 2020 are going to get us all killed because ” they didn’t like mean tweets.”
Robert · November 27, 2024 at 9:24 am
A 25th amendment invoke cannot save us. Joe Biden is not making calls on anything of importance and never has make such calls.
People who do not have public names are making the calls. They are nasty SOBs. Who are they? They are the ones who must be taken out.
It's just Boris · November 26, 2024 at 7:47 pm
Second nuclear war. World War II was the first. But the next will be nastier, I expect.
Divemedic · November 27, 2024 at 7:07 am
WW2 was the first use of nukes. A nuclear war would require both sides using them. That hasn’t happened yet.
EN2 SS · November 28, 2024 at 7:32 am
That is a rather big word “yet”, isn’t it? At the rate of insanity, it can be dropped soon.
Eat Drink Be Merry · November 26, 2024 at 8:05 pm
The Frankfurt Faculty Lounge is out to burn down the world for Karl and Satan (SAME) by any means necessary.
There won’t be any vote on it.
The pussification of the American male as George Carlin called it was done for a reason.
Wilson · November 26, 2024 at 8:39 pm
If only everyone was as smart as general aesop, just saying
EN2 SS · November 27, 2024 at 7:38 am
Then we would all be equally indoctrinated on this subject.
Aesop · November 27, 2024 at 5:56 pm
Ad hominem is always the rapier of the lackwit.
Make a case based on rational thought, if you can, or get back on the porch with the women and the small dogs. People more grown up than you are talking, and all you’re doing is yapping.
Doc B · November 30, 2024 at 5:39 pm
Draft the warmonger.
Big Ruckus D · November 26, 2024 at 8:59 pm
I suddenly have a mental image of Charlton Heston kneeling on a beach and angrily cursing the damned maniacs who destroyed the world.
If they do this, there’s no point in digging. A quick death will be preferable to any other alternate outcome in which one survives the initial catastrophe of a nuclear attack. If we get nuked here, it’s Mad Max × Lord of the Flies time in short order. I’ll happily take seeing a flash of light and being more or less instantly vaporized, over having to live in that sort of aftermath.
Dan D. · November 27, 2024 at 6:48 am
Not sure you all saw this but Russian state media recently published this handy list. You know, if your Bloom County closet of anxieties wasn’t already full to the brim.
How fast can the Oreshnik missile hit US bases across the world?
1. Middle East Distance and flight time from southern Russia:
US airbase in Kuwait: 2,100 km, 11 minutes;
US 5th Fleet Headquarters in Bahrain: 2,500 km, 12 minutes;
US Air Base in Qatar: 2,650 km, 13 minutes;
US Air Base in Djibouti: 4,100 km, 20 minutes.
2. Pacific and Alaska Distance and flight time from Kamchatka:
Air Base in Alaska: 2,400 km, 12 minutes;
US Air Force and Navy Base in Guam: 4,500 km, 22 minutes;
US Air Force and Navy Bases in Pearl Harbor: 5,100 km, 25 minutes.
3. Minuteman III missile silos Distance and flight time from Chukotka:
Minuteman III missile silos in Montana: 4,700 km, 23 minutes;
Minuteman III missile silos in Minot,
North Dakota: 4,900 km, 24 minutes.
https://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv350/Rakshan/scans/bc05.jpg
Aesop · November 27, 2024 at 6:00 pm
Which would simply provide the impetus to launch every ICBM in the arsenal, and then spend a couple of weeks after that bouncing the rubble remaining with the SLBMs.
If Russia is suicidal, we’ve played that game before.
It broke their piggy bank.
Once again proving beyond all argument that Putin’s still trying to refight the Cold War.
QED
Dan D. · November 28, 2024 at 11:40 pm
My understanding is that MHD played the primary role in fielding those badass Russian hypersonic missiles, not QED, but your intel may be better.
SDman · November 27, 2024 at 10:12 am
Ahh, nothing to worry about. Spaghetti brain has it all under control. Personally, horrible if happens for sure, but I’m just gonna look at the bright flash and smile and say “cheese”. No use fighting it and wouldn’t want to be around in the aftermath if rockets are traversing the pole.
SoCoRuss · November 28, 2024 at 12:49 pm
After all the bad things this country and its perverted faggotry leadership and deep state masters has demanded and and, if they don’t submit to us, done to the world especially lately. And I was unfortunately part of some of those actions during my active duty career. I don’t get the Russia hatred. I have met and dealt with Russian military and civilians many times, they are actually our natural allies not enemies. Maybe its a combination of the media and our age group normalcy bias the group think say Merika good, everyone else bad or stupid.
But whatever, students of history see this as the same Euro stupidity that started WW1 & 2. I thought they would kill Trump myself. But it appears he made a deal to get elected especially with some of the morons he wants in cabinet. Now the next 2 choices for the elites are WW3 or economic collapse. I guess they choose War.
Last comment for those that thought Trump was the messiah and would save you. ANYONE who chooses that pompous blowhard Sebastian Gorka as a national security chief , Is a FUCKING moron. You want to know what the Russian’s think, listen to what they say. They do the same for outside countries. They think what you say is what you will do. They have a innate fear of invasion from the west, think about that. And our leadership keeps talking about destroying their country. How would you react to statements about you if you were in their place. Oh Well, its time for this country to be removed from history anyway. It was a good run for a while until the people of this country because mindless and gutless sheep I guess..
Aesop · November 28, 2024 at 9:14 pm
Explain the imaginary Russia hatred, which is no such thing.
Then take a poll in Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, and Turkey, and explain to all and sundry how their fear of Russia is irrational, based on Russia’s behavior since just about…ever.
I’ll wait over here.
The Russia government, going back only multiple centuries, is nobody’s friend, including to the Russian people. That’s obvious to even a casual visitor or observer.
The American self-loathing is self-explanatory, but it explains the Putinophilia.
Putin, thank a merciful heaven, is not Russia, nor most of it.
Everyone gets along with them whenever their leaders aren’t former minions of the secret police there, but they keep not trying that approach. Then their senior criminals look shocked when it never pans out for their delusions of grandeur amidst a centuries-old kleptocracy.
This is puzzling not a bit to people who see Russia for what is always has been, instead of what they wish it were. And their legendary paranoia is something they need to work out in therapy, not by pre-emptively conquering ever larger and less-Russian neighbors until they feel safe.
At last look, they’ve gone all the way to Central America, and still not achieved that panacaea.
tfourier · November 28, 2024 at 3:30 pm
As someone who listen to / watched way too much Soviet radio / TV from the 1970’s to early 1990’s and has now been watching Russian state TV pretty much daily since late 2021 (on the principal get your your propaganda lies straight from the source) Aesop’s posts are 100% factually correct (can be supported by multiple primary sources) and those stating otherwise are factually incorrect (all lead back to Soviet / Russian state sources / shills / Anti-West players etc).
The actual propaganda narrative from the Russian government and on Russian state TV every day since the full invasion in 2022 is this is a war of ANNIHILATION of Ukraine. It must be wiped off the face of the earth.
Unlike the Germans at Wannsee in 1942 which was done in extreme secrecy Putin has been very public about his wish for the genocide of the Ukrainians. That this is war of Extermination of Ukraine and Ukrainians. Putin even had a multi-hour show and tell that was shown live on Channel 1 RU etc in Feb 2022 that went to great lengths to “prove” that there was no such people as Ukrainians and no such language as Ukrainian. That those khokhols who live in “Little Rus” were such sub-humans that what they spoke was nothing more than a very degenerate Russian.
And so on.
The very abbreviated English language translation of this “presentation” found on the kremlin.ru site is only a taster of the Der Sturmer level hate to be found in the full Russian transcripts of what Putin said over several hours that day. And has said many other times before and since. But without the maps and diagrams.
And thats been the daily propaganda every day since in the Russian state media. Channel 1 RU, Russia 1 etc. Ukraine must be destroyed. Must be reduced to ashes and its culture erased.
So Russia is waging a war of genocide pure and simple. How do I know. Because that is what the Russian government is telling their own people.
Vremya (Время) on 1v.ru will give you a taster but the real Julius Streicher stuff can be found daily on the various “Great Game” (Информационный канал) talking head current affairs shows. And over on Russia 1 (Россия-1) just to watch 10 mins of the unrelenting hatred in their “news” shows leaves you feeling dirty and soiled.
So that’s what Putins war aims are. A war of genocide and annihilation. Pure and simple. So this war will only end when Putin is dead and Russia crushed.
Which will then be its very own total sh*tshow. As Russia implodes. Much like the Soviet Union did. And for pretty much the same reasons.
There will be no happy endings. And no “America First” escape route either. The Chinese will make sure of that. Every retreat by the US will be taken as a sign to escalate. History is littered with the ruins of those who thought otherwise.
TakeAHardLook · November 30, 2024 at 10:08 am
“…when Putin is dead and Russia crushed.”
Well, yes. But not without cost. If Israel has (purportedly) a “Samson Option” then The Russian Federation, in its death throes, will launch the entire box of fireworks, followed by innumerable SLBM-launched nuclear-tipped MIRVs to “bounce the rubble” for months.
And, in a few millennia, Mother Earth will have processed all those long-lived nuclear isotopes and other, more adaptable, species will inherit our Big Blue Marble.
Giant cockroaches, maybe?
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