I’m not the NRA, but I think that I can help you. I want to start with proving that the people are each and every individual who is a citizen of this country:
The first line of the Constitution says “We the People of the United States” so the collective people are the ones writing the Constitution. The very next paragraph begins with:
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People
So the people are the ones electing Representatives. Do they have a collective, or an individual right to elect representatives?
The people also have a right to assemble, as outlined in the First Amendment. Is that a collective, or an individual right? In the Fourth Amendment, we find the protection of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.”
So now that we have established that the people are the ones who individually elect their representatives, peaceably assemble, and are secure from unreasonable searches and seizures, is there any possibility that the writers of the Constitution and its amendments meant for the Second Amendment to refer to a different meaning of people when they wrote “the right of the people to keep and bear arms?”
I know that it is all fashionable for the left to hang its hat on the prefatory clause about militias being necessary, but this argument has been hashed out tons of times. It’s really getting old, and this argument is nothing more than partisan bullshit.
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DrBob · August 1, 2023 at 9:33 am
My family was born and raised in the northern areas of the US, but it did not stop my dad (who grew up on a farm) from understanding the importance of getting work done in the morning. In the early 1980s he built a farm machinery plant in Vicksburg, Mississippi. Much of the plant needed open garage style doors to move large machines in and out as well as venting welding fumes. So the shop had no AC. He polled his workers and they decided to start work at 5am and be done by noon. Worked great, no heat exhaustion and the guys went home to each lunch after work.
Vitaeus · August 1, 2023 at 10:00 am
I remember seeing the count for people and People in the Constituon. It is a very common word.
Divemedic · August 1, 2023 at 10:05 am
Twice in the Constitution (Preamble and Art 1)
Seven times in Amendments (1A, 2A, 4A, 9A, 10A, twice in the 17th)
June J · August 1, 2023 at 10:18 am
Leftists generally have their minds set in concrete and no amount of “discussion” nor facts will ever change their thinking. I’ve reached the point where I just ignore them rather than wasting energy trying to alter concrete.
Big Ruckus D · August 1, 2023 at 3:29 pm
Which is why, in the end, the only solution to leftists (irrespective of what specific name is assigned to them) is to forcibly reconfigure their brains via a high velocity lobotomy. This also has the desirable side effects of permanently shutting them up, and causing them to stop breathing our air and wasting other resources like food, water and energy.
History has shown that to be the only proven, effective means to tamping down the scourge of leftist “thinking”. And that’s good enough for me.
Birdog357 · August 1, 2023 at 11:14 am
“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” What more do they want?
Steady Steve · August 1, 2023 at 12:17 pm
Not partisan at all. It’s just every day common bullshit. And not even plausible bullshit.
chiefjaybob · August 1, 2023 at 3:05 pm
Is this twink a bot? Is English his first language? Because it sure didn’t look like it.
D · August 1, 2023 at 5:06 pm
10 USC 12 246:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Not that I think “code” should be used to justify the Constitution, but even the government acknowledged what a “militia” was in their code. You’re either in the organized militia, or the unorganized militia, or you’re a woman in the National Guard. 😉
D · August 1, 2023 at 5:09 pm
Oh…and if the second amendment weren’t about guns, no one would be confused:
A well-stocked library, being necessary to the education of a free state, the right of the people to keep and own books shall not be infringed.
No one would claim you couldn’t carry books in public. No one would be confused if you could carry a large dictionary, or if horror novels were prohibited. No one would claim that only government libraries could own books.
mike fink · August 1, 2023 at 5:18 pm
Dimwhits like him always call our system a “democracy”, even though that word is not found in the 1776 DOI, the 1789 Constitution, or in the 1791 BOR’s. The Constitution does call specifically for a Republican form of government. One seeking clarification, as if it was not clear enough, could look directly to the Federalist Papers and read the thoughts of the men who wrote the Constitution on that or any point of order. Yes, they deliberately rejected democracy as anything but a flawed, evil system destined to fail.
It is the same with the 2nd Amendment. They ignore the linquistic facts of how the sentences were constructed as of written english is some sort of mystery. When confronted with what the Founders had to say about private arms, standing armies, and the power of the militia to defeat a tyrannical Federal army in the Federalist Papers, liberals just change the subject. The Founders did not hold back in elaborating about exactly what they intended this Constitution to do and why, and there is no way to suggest what they said to mean anything other than what its says, and they know it. So they pretend the FP’s either do not exist or that they are just as much a mystery as they pretend the Constitution itself is. Therefore we are dealing with unprincipled men. Those of us who know them and know the truth will not be deceived or disarmed.
Burnt Toast · August 1, 2023 at 9:45 pm
Reading the 2nd as applying to the organized militia (army, navy, guard, whatever) renders it virtually meaningless as the powers for military are already in the unamended Constitution. That interpretation means nothing because it amends nothing. Unless one really believes the ludicrous assumption that the Founders forgot to say that the Amry and Navy get to have Arms which is inherit in their function.
Then the Letters of Marque which implies that already exist armed private ships, sailors, and marines… unless they were expected to use harsh language.
Sometimes it helps to read documents as a whole. Especially if one is confused by the word “people”.
Aesop · August 2, 2023 at 2:29 am
@Divemedic,
You’re wrong on this.
Fuckstick McMurray dared the NRA to show that he is “the text of Constitution”:
“I dare you @NRA to show me where I’m the text of Constitution…”
One cannot show that Fuckstick McMurray is “the text of Constitution”, because he simply isn’t any such thing, so in the words of Mona Lisa Vito, “It’s a bullshit question; it’s impossible to answer.”
One suspects that Fuckstick is similarly ignorant that the Bill of Rights, as with all of the adopted amendments, are the text of the Constitution, which might have been the question he was trying to ask, if only he wasn’t profoundly retarded, historically and legally ignorant, overwhelmingly stupid, and functionally incapable in the use of the English language.
Kudos for trying to accommodate the handicapped.
Andrew · August 2, 2023 at 8:53 am
Preamble to the Bill of Rights.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
SO to correct the…”distinguished gentleman” who issued a demand, the Bill Of Rights is meant to restrict the government power further than it did, and also declare on paper, rights.
No wonder it’s never mentioned in school.
Until about 3/4 of my life had passed, and I got an actual copy of the Constitution with it included, I wasn’t aware there was a Preamble.
(I forget whose it was, but a family friend gave me a pocket Constitution and it skipped the Bill Of Rights Preamble. However, a couple other copies have not only it but the Declaration included and they aren’t much bigger. Weird.)
Shame on me.
“of the people” is fairly clear.
“Shall not be infringed” seems clear, to people who can read.
Jonesy · August 2, 2023 at 12:18 pm
These are now the same people who say we have a climate crisis, gender can be whatever you want on a given day, men can be women and vice versa, and trans men can breast feed.
That they know nothing of our founding documents is not surprising. They aren’t right about anything.
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