This week, my wife was notified by her employer that the vaccine is voluntary. However, if she refuses to take the vaccine and is either exposed to or catches COVID, she will not be permitted to take sick leave during her two week quarantine and MUST take the time off WITHOUT pay.
This is how they will enforce the vaccine mandate- they will make it impossible to participate in society without it. Unless you are an illegal immigrant. Then you are good to go.
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billrla · March 13, 2021 at 1:28 pm
Making it impossible to participate in society? Sign me up!
Divemedic · March 13, 2021 at 1:33 pm
Participation includes buying, selling, banking, health care, receiving utilities. Unless you think yourself ready and willing to live in a cave and forage for food.
billrla · March 13, 2021 at 3:46 pm
Divemedic: We all need to buy, sell, bank, access healthcare and be connected to utilities, but, the real innovation in our world is, and has always been, among people who are creating work-arounds to existing systems. That’s where we should focus our efforts (once we take care of staying alive and paying the bills). These efforts should improve our lifestyle, not degrade it. Otherwise, what’s the point?
For example, consider the rise of cryptocurrency. The entire reason for crypto is to enable peer-to-peer transactions without the need for middlemen. Billions of dollars of real cash are flowing into crypto, even from the average “nobody,” because millions of people seek to avoid traditional fiat currency and fractional reserve banking.
Devoting more of one’s time to figuring how to live freely is highly productive and can also be highly profitable. This is what the world’s most successful people do. So should the rest of us. That’s all I’m saying.
Divemedic · March 13, 2021 at 4:16 pm
Crypto? LOL. Scam.
Sorry, but people are getting taken in by crypto. You are buying something that doesn’t really exist. Crypto is no different than any other fiat currency.
billrla · March 13, 2021 at 8:16 pm
Oh, heck. I’ll give it one more go round, because I am sympathetic to your wife’s situation re: employer pressue to get vaccinated. Lots of people, myself included, are looking for a way out of this mess.
I mentioned crypto simply as one example of a possible solution to the forces of coercion and control, albeit, in the world of finance, not healthcare. A lot of talented and yes, honest people are working on crypto. If it’s a scam, than every government issuer of fiat currency and every corporate financial institution wants in on the scam.
In my mind, the situation with healthcare is analogous to the situation with finance. The healthcare system is increasingly intrusive and coercive. So, what are some possible solutions?
Perhaps, if you believe, as I do, that Covid poses a very small and manageable personal health risk in your particular situation (or your wife’s situation), then one solution to your wife’s problem is to do nothing. Just don’t get vaccinated. At the very least, she could wait to see how the whole medical situation evolves, rather than being a coerced participant in a massive, uncontrolled sham of a public health experiment.
The whole quarantine and sick leave topic is on very shaky legal ground. The law favors the employee. The last thing your wife’s employer wants is a non-vaccinated employee getting Covid, sitting at home, having nice phone conversations with the state labor board, employment lawyers and workers compensation insurance companies.
In a nutshell, call the employer’s bluff. They won’t do squat. Their legal and financial liability would be many multiples of your own liability.
Of course, there are other solutions, as well.
Don Curton · March 13, 2021 at 5:57 pm
I can smell the same thing about to happen at my workplace. They are heavily recommending it, but not mandatory yet. I’m wondering about fake immunization records at this point. Shouldn’t be too hard to counterfeit a piece of paper.
rick · March 13, 2021 at 6:42 pm
I have been thinking about that too, I think that is why they want to use some kind of implantable chip like RFID or a tattoo to make it harder to do.
Since they don’t know how long the “vaccine” lasts in the body it would be easy to fake but more difficult to back up if they looked into the location you claimed to be vaccinated at and checked their records.
it's just Boris · March 14, 2021 at 12:03 am
Vaccination cards? Already for sale on eBay, and I’ve seen an image posted on arfcom.
Just, if you print one, first, print both sides, and second, use thick but cheap (e.g. coarse, fibrous) card stock
Techiedude · March 14, 2021 at 8:31 am
Problem is, your fake card isn’t in the database, which will probably be like e-verify
Jonathan · March 13, 2021 at 7:09 pm
My workplace is strongly encouraging vaccination, and giving time off for it.
They have specifically said they are not requiring documentation of being vaccinated.
They didn’t answer the question when asked if they were planning to make vaccination mandatory…
joe · March 14, 2021 at 6:31 am
i’m still trying to understand what the hell makes crypto worth a dime…it’s not backed up by anything…reminds me of the stupid beanie baby
Anonymous · March 14, 2021 at 11:24 pm
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It would be possible to invent a crypto with a mint mark, and use it like a warehouse receipt. A propane company could issue BBQTankCoins, each redeemable for an actual physical 20 pound tank of propane currently in their possession.
Bitcoin is not a fiat currency, because no government demands taxes be paid in Bitcoin.
By designed-in technical policy, Bitcoin is not as inflatable (official counterfeiting) as fiat currencies.
Bitcoin only has value from purposes of monetary communications, not value from use for non-monetary purposes. But if you only hold it for as long as a transaction takes to clear, the exchange rate risk is lower.
I think Bitcoin’s initial value was produced by advertising: using Bitcoin meant you were cool and hip. It had value just like an advertising jingle has value. Then, I think the ability to do transactions in the black market was enough to make people want to buy it, to use it for those transactions. That’s value.
I think the biggest risk to Bitcoin’s long-term value is Bitcoin 2.0. Who wants the old bits if new bits offer better features?
Divemedic · March 15, 2021 at 6:39 am
The people who created these electronic currencies are adding more coins to circulation on a periodic basis. What stops them from simply adding more and more as time goes on? The answer is nothing.
The only thing that separates them from fiat currency is in who is issuing the fiat: a private business versus a government. Bitcoin is therefore based upon the full faith and credit of the business who issues it.
It is impossible for BTC to ever be more than what it is: a curious collectors item. It HAS to be replaced, and IS being replaced by other forms of digital currency.
Anonymous · March 15, 2021 at 9:04 am
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The people who created these electronic currencies are adding more coins to circulation on a periodic basis. What stops them from simply adding more and more as time goes on?
Adding coins to Bitcoin is called “mining”. The rate of mining is set by agreement of a majority of miners, that’s the “them” here. Coins which did not come from the majority are rejected as fake. Thus, creation of new Bitcoin is decentralized, and has more control by the user community than fiat currencies.
The only thing that separates them from fiat currency is in who is issuing the fiat: a private business versus a government.
The “fiat” which declares a currency to have value, where “fiat” is “a formal authorization or proposition; a decree”, is made by a government backed by their army. No business can issue fiat because no business has an army.
It is impossible for BTC to ever be more than what it is: a curious collectors item.
Something worth 600 billion dollars is merely a curious collectors item? Not that you could get that much out before the price collapsed.
21stCenturyCassandra · March 15, 2021 at 4:42 am
Any form of mandate (and refusing to allow a person who is sick to use their sick leave/PTO if not jabbed with the WuFlu cootie shot IS a mandate) is illegal under federal law. NONE of the WuFlu jabs are licensed, ALL of them are under (illegitimate) Emergency Use Authorizations. It is illegal under federal law and the Nuremberg Protocol to mandate participation in medical experiments.
Anonymous · March 15, 2021 at 4:22 pm
ADDED BY THE BLOG OWNER, DIVEMEDIC: The person posting this comment has an email address and IP address indicating that they have a financial relationship with a digital currency dealer. This in my mind creates a fiduciary conflict. end of addition
Here’s an analogy which I just made up; I’m not sure how correct it is.
In a sailboat, the boat moving on the water through the air mass creates “relative wind”. This relative wind increases the mass flow of air per unit time past the sail, letting the sail harvest more wind energy. More energy leads to faster boat, leading to more relative wind. Keeps snowballing and speed increasing, but there’s a limit because at higher speeds drag increases even faster. Yet an ice boat can go six times as fast as the wind.
Imagine the “dollar value” which is attributed to Bitcoin is the “relative wind” produced by goods and services moving through an economy. This “relative wind of dollars” isn’t fake, or imaginary, an artifact, phantom or fraud; it’s created by an economy functioning. The Bitcoin valuation has a backing: the momentum of the economy, which is a totaling of the hundreds of millions of humans working to produce stuff, possibly for the gray or black market.
However, if government demands the economy halt, all this “relative wind of dollars” vanishes. The humans are left with only the capital goods (corresponding in the sailboat analogy to the true wind): mines, farms, factories; food, manufactured goods, services. Venezuela still has all that oil in the ground. But then those dollars listed in financial service company sql databases, especially derivatives, no longer correspond to real effects from an economy in motion.
Anonymous · March 15, 2021 at 8:45 pm
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The person posting this comment has an email address and IP address indicating that they have a financial relationship with a digital currency dealer.
No I don’t, that email address is a joke. Why would someone use the handle “Anonymous” and then offer a real email address? Aside from making it harder to profile me, part of the idea of not supplying a persona is that I would like readers to focus on my ideas, without the distraction of caring about me as a person.
What did you think of my sailing analogy? I think it’s consistent with both: a) Bitcoin market cap is 600 billion dollars, and also b) Bitcoin is worthless on Gilligan’s Island.
Divemedic · March 15, 2021 at 9:30 pm
You chose that address, not me.
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