The only response to this is- don’t open the door. Don’t answer questions. Don’t tell them shit. Do you have a warrant? No? Piss off, then.
Categories: Police State
Police State
Surveillance State
Sure, plate readers and cameras solved THIS crime. Still, how many millions of cars drove by and were catalogued to catch this one criminal, and what is all of that trace data being used for? Read more…
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Jonathan · August 8, 2023 at 9:52 am
I used to know a guy whose house got raided because his ex wife stole his car and let another guy use it in a crime.
There is a blog I read occasionally by a cop in New Orleans; other cops came to his house looking for a guy who lived there 10 years ago – the only reason he didn’t get raided is because they recognized his unmarked car in the driveway.
dc · August 8, 2023 at 12:35 pm
Scary video. When I lived in a neighborhood, I regularly did not answer the door. For anyone.
Aesop · August 8, 2023 at 12:45 pm
Episode #3,472,652 of why you never come out, and never open the door for lying douchebadges. Which, by actual data is 98% of them in any given year, who give the other 2% a bad name. If you didn’t call them, they aren’t your friends in any sense. And as Herschel notes at Captain’s Journal, there’s no situation that doesn’t become worse simply by adding the police to the mix.
If they have a warrant, (even a bogus one) they’re coming in anyways.
If they don’t, tell them to fuck right off, through the door, and let them beat their knuckles bloody waiting until Hell freezes over, and still not getting Jack or Shit from you.
But I don’t think they’re going to learn to behave correctly either until simple non-compliance graduates either to revocation of all sovereign immunity, or until simple refusals graduate to people actively hunting them down while they’re out and about, and they’ve brought that entire situation on themselves by becoming the exact occupying army and Gestapo the Founders abhorred.
Dirty Dingus McGee · August 8, 2023 at 2:38 pm
I’m fortunate enough to live out in a rural area and have an 8″ tall chain link fence around most of my property. The rear backs up to a swamp, so not fenced there. The ONLY time the gate is unlocked is when I’m going in/out of it< or I remotely open it for someone. I have a camera system and alarms on the driveway to let me know if someone is coming up the driveway.If they make it to my door and DON'T have a warrant, they are trespassing and will be treated as such.
So far I haven't needed to go that far. So far.
Elrod · August 8, 2023 at 2:59 pm
Yeah, don’t open the door. Very sound advice. But…what was the predicate reason for the gestapo’s attention in the first place?
Novo · August 8, 2023 at 9:10 pm
That’s EXACTLY what I thought.
JIM F MASSEY · August 8, 2023 at 3:21 pm
In Britain, the average British Bobby will stand around, with the cellphones rolling – and will let you be culturally enriched to death with knives, clubs or any other weapon they have at hand. We have seen the same thing play out here too – where cops and civvies are killed or murdered in cold blood and the perp gets off on technicalities of the flimsiest sort. Most cops now in their right mind won’t lift a finger to protect you when it counts. They know that if they are caught on camera legally defending you – they will be punished for it.
I am not defending any of this but hell’s bells, guys – we live in an age where we can no longer trust ANYTHING we see or hear. Derek Chauvin went to jail – charged with both manslaughter AND Murder One – for doing his job. You have here a vid lasting only a couple minutes, and for the average dunce (not mentioning any names!) to convict and hang a couple cops who may themselves just be doing their jobs. It is a FACT that our laws protect the abusers much more than the abused, and it is getting worse. Much worse.
There are two slippery slopes here: one leads to a police state where people are not safe in their own homes. The other slippery slope we are on has us ending up in the same place Britain is in, where your cops aren’t worth the time of day and even those that are – are prevented BY LAW from protecting their communities even if they have the wherewithal to do it.
Obviously – unless you are right about EVERYTHING as Aesop is – more questions need to be answered. What kind of neighbourhood was this? Did it have a problem with rampant black crime? Was the suspect acting suspiciously? The cops showed up in force, obviously expecting trouble – what did they suspect, why, and what was their side of the story? Clearly this is something that needs to be properly investigated. Just looking at it – it looks to me like the cops were looking for a crack house or den, and clearly expected a fight… and our guy gave them one. It’s a big thing on JewToob now for rabble rousing street lawyers to approach cops and start hassling them to every possible extent afforded to them by law.
We need to seriously look at stuff like this and be proper men when we do it. In the real world, the guy in the vid was a ropey mouthed asshole, he was black, and gave the police every reason to think he was hiding something, and they only shoved him around a bit. Turn it around – if you had a vibrant crackhouse or gangbanger club house setting up on your street and making life miserable for your women and children… would you want cops to be afraid of them and reluctant to act?
This could have been handled better by all parties. Sure, the cops should have had a warrant for all that. The suspect could have been much more cooperative and agreeable. If we are going to base our laws on stupid shit and accidents like this… we are all going to be on the losing end of it.
Dirty Dingus McGee · August 8, 2023 at 5:26 pm
A question for JIM F MASSEY
If a cop shows up at the door and DEMANDS to enter, what will you do? Comply with no questions asked? If so, why? And don’t give me the old “I have nothing to hide”. Is not your home your sanctuary from the outside world?
The video doesn’t show any exigent circumstance that would deem entry necessary, so what lawful reason do they have?
JIM F MASSEY · August 9, 2023 at 7:42 am
I get it. You’re talking about specific cases. I am talking about the big picture. Here are your choices from this vantage point: you can have gormless idiots, affirmative action hires, and obese women for “police” as Britain does … or you can have The Gestapo. Last choice is to try and get something that splits the difference in a way everyone can live with. Do you want to set hard legal precedent based on 5 minutes of vid from one black private citizen of questionable integrity?
Divemedic · August 9, 2023 at 7:55 am
I don’t care whether or not the man’s integrity is questionable. He still has constitutional rights. You can either respect those, or you can toss the entire document in the trash.
This isn’t a binary decision between idiots and jackboots. There is a middle ground, and this nation had it for decades. It all starts with demanding that police follow the rules.
JIM F MASSEY · August 10, 2023 at 9:20 am
“I don’t care whether or not the man’s integrity is questionable….”
So that is your moral high ground, is it? If the man HAD been running a crack house, or a child sex op, or in the middle of his 14th serial murder – all of that should go down in the name of The Constitution, and the victims would have died for the good of society. Gotcha. Coincidentally, that is the exact mindset of our friends in Great Britain and here in Canada, where blatant killers hide behind the law instead of living in fear of it or being justly dealt with by it.
When the lynchings and vigilante justice starts – the Revolution is just around the corner.
I will leave this here, DM. You’re a good guy, and no doubt a patriot… but you don’t have the smarts for the discussion. No need for a reply, I will not be back this way again.
Cheers.
tom · August 8, 2023 at 7:17 pm
BS If the cops had just answered his question instead of “trying to control; the situation’ Things would have gone a lot smoother. I will never understand not answering with name and badge number. to turn it on them, what are they trying to hide?
Divemedic · August 8, 2023 at 7:58 pm
I don’t look at it as “Stupid shit” I look at it as my Constitutional rights. If I had a crackhouse or gangbanger club setting up on my street, I would still expect the police to follow the law and the Constitution, which aren’t merely technicalities to be circumvented.
JIM F MASSEY · August 9, 2023 at 8:19 am
Apologies, DM – poor choice of words. Nor am I saying you’re wrong. But with respect… this is how you get lynchings. This is how you get the Trayvon Martens/Zimmerman shootings. This is how you get blue democrat shithole cities. On the theoretical plane of existence the Constitution would work, law enforcement would work and the judiciary would work and we’d have time to let it work.
A lot of police work is time sensitive. Who is this guy that they attacked? What is his reputation outside this vid? Is he a drug dealer? A human trafficker? A serial rapist or a child molestor? Would you be willing to put up with that crackhouse in your neighbourhood if some corrupt or overworked judge saw no reason to investigate or do anything about it? Say you had children, and these guys were pushing crack cocaine at the kids down in the playground? Or that this guy’s homies started a crime wave so bad that families had to keep their kids indoors and their possessions nailed down under lock and key or some black piece of trash would steal it/rape it/kill it? Zimmerman wasn’t out looking for trouble – he was trying to defend his neighbourhood when the cops wouldn’t because of system problems and constitutional protections were protecting the people destroying his neighbourhood.
What I am trying to say is this: the Constitution is a scrap of paper. Britain has a charter of rights with soaring rhetoric There are hopelessly corrupt third world countries that have adopted the American constitution word for word. Without the cops, the leaders, the judiciary, and THE PEOPLE… the constitution is nothing. We both can agree that the law enforcement is sorely compromised. I would say the judiciary is too. Our courts are bad jokes now and we have the hollowed out cities and communities to show for it.
Of course the flip side to this is a police state like Nazi Germany. That would be no picnic either but… then again, the trains ran on time, there was no graffitti, child predation in the schools, shitting in the streets, or black chimp-outs, etc ad nauseum.
It’s something to keep in mind as America and Western civilization slowly dies. Hopefully we can find a happy middle ground in what is to follow.
Divemedic · August 9, 2023 at 8:33 am
The Constitution is not a “scrap of paper” it is the legal authority upon which the laws of this country were founded, and where the cops get their legal authority. To toss it aside whenever someone finds it convenient is to invite despotism.
There is no middle ground between following the Constitution or not. If the police only respect Constitutional rights when they find it convenient, then there are no Constitutional rights. Those rights become privileges that can be taken away at the whim of whatever government official thinks it convenient.
I see that your IP address makes you a Canadian. That explains a lot about your attitude. How are your rights up there working out?
JIM F MASSEY · August 10, 2023 at 8:47 am
Clearly this is gonna go personal and that was not my intent. Again – I am not saying you are wrong, or the constitution is. I am saying that you need the leadership, the people, the law enforcement, and the judiciary to make it work… and that America no longer has it. If any single one of those things are missing… it is just a scrap of paper.
Divemedic · August 10, 2023 at 8:55 am
Not personal.
Dirty Dingus McGee · August 9, 2023 at 8:58 am
” this is how you get lynchings”
Perhaps that is in order. Back in the 1800’s in this country, the local citizens handled affairs as needed. Whether cattle rustlers, bank robbers or rouge lawmen, they were dealt with as needed. The way things are going these days, we will end up back there. When you can’t tell the “good guys” from the “bad guys”, there is no difference in the two.
One other thing to consider Jim, if the cops feel they can enter your home any time they feel like it, for any reason, what makes them different from the ones who would rob from your home? I certainly don’t see any difference in the 2.If someone is trying to break into my home, I’m justified when I defend my home. It shouldn’t matter if whoever is trying to enter is wearing a mask or a badge.
Novo · August 8, 2023 at 9:18 pm
I have to agree with Jim on this. You don’t know the back story.
Why didn’t old mate just say “go away please & come back with a warrant” and close the door ???
Both sides could have done better. A lot better.
Divemedic · August 9, 2023 at 7:58 am
Telling the cops to come back with a warrant isn’t how I read what Jim expects. He said:
That tells me that he wants the suspect to answer questions and provide the cops with the evidence that they are asking for. In essence, prove his innocence. I go back to my original advice that I have given tons of times- Don’t answer cops’ questions. They are looking for reasons to arrest you. Don’t give them one.
Steve · August 9, 2023 at 11:35 am
@DM, “Don’t answer cops’ questions. They are looking for reasons to arrest you. Don’t give them one.”
This right here. Once he told them that, yeah, he kicked in the door, but it’s his door, he sealed his fate. He was getting cuffed and stuffed one way or the other.
You are correct that from the moment he opened the door, the best he could probably hope for was to spend the night in an interrogation room. But talking to them, saying a single word other than, “Got a warrant?” or “I’m exercising my right to remain silent” and then SingTFU meant most likely that at the very least he was facing a night in general holding cell. And continuing to talk to them after the one lied that the guy with 3 spare mags I see was a supervisor, and then stepping outside? They’ll probably be able to justify booking him on drummed up felony charges.
Noway2 · August 9, 2023 at 9:35 am
“ The other slippery slope we are on has us ending up in the same place Britain is in, where your cops aren’t worth the time of day and even those that are – are prevented BY LAW from protecting their communities even if they have the wherewithal to do it”
Let’s dispense with one fallacy right quick. The cops are not here to protect you. They have zero duty to do so as has been decreed by the highest gang of kangaroos in the empire. They are at best a minor deterrent to criminal activity and an after the action reaction force.
I used to live in one of the bigger cities in NC. High crime rate, violent crime, not petty. Where were the cops? Fuzzing traffic in affluent neighborhoods.
We didn’t have career enforcers until the late 19th century. They didn’t exist at the time the constitution was drafted and ratified. We don’t need them now and I don’t want them.
Aesop · August 9, 2023 at 12:31 pm
Apparently Jim never considered for one moment that if the police had probable cause and reasonable articulable suspicion, it isn’t that they could follow due process, swear out an affidavit, and obtain a warrant from a judge for bona fide reasons.
It’s that they are constitutionally obligated to do exactly that, every single time, without fail. Period. Paragraph. End of further discussion.
In most of America, it can even be done – and frequently is – over the phone in real time.
All of which is probably written in bold print in any department’s patrol guide for officers, and their written departmental policies and procedures.
Jim could have looked that up, and if he did that frequently, he too could be right a lot more often.
Absent that, the police in that video could have been courteous and honest in their interaction, rather than douchebadged ego-tripping assholes, and made a good-faith effort at obtaining co-operation in obtaining information they had no legal right to obtain nor compel.
They did none of that.
That makes them not just dicks, but actually evil and/or stupid. There is no other option there.
What that makes Jim for not grasping that reality I leave to the commentariat’s imagination.
This doesn’t leave the country with the false dilemma of either the Gestapo or the Pussy Patrol. We had neither for a century and a half. The reason the police have been the subject of 500 Supreme Court cases chopping off their feet and handcuffing them in the last century is because they have consistently chosen to look at the line between legal and illegal, and then leaped over the line onto the illegal side, hundreds of thousands of times.
Even YouTube, which has only been around for eighteen years, documents 10-50 such indefensible incidents a week, and that’s just the ones where there’s a camera pointed at how the police act, nearly 30 years after Rodney King should have taught them that everyone is watching, all the time.
After a million such incidents (and counting) this isn’t “a few bad apples”, it’s the entire barrel, the orchard they’re grown in, and the mindset with which they all approach the job 24/7/365.
If I had to choose between a country with no Constitution, or one with no cops, I’d throw the police under the bus and into a Morbark shredder in the blink of an eye. The republic would do fine, and probably better than it’s doing now, without any of them.
The other approach was tried in Germany from 1933-1945, and in Russia since ever.
It is unmitigated disaster every time it’s tried, but it justifies an endless conga line up the steps of a scaffolding to a noose for those who are slow learners. And will again.
Ice Ice Trotsky · August 8, 2023 at 7:02 pm
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
transluddite · August 8, 2023 at 8:30 pm
fuck the po lice
Steve · August 8, 2023 at 8:51 pm
Guy screwed himself the moment he stepped outside. Might have been salvageable before that, but once you are outside your home, game over, player you. Odds are the slimeballs tagged him with resisting arrest for trying to hold onto his phone. Maybe assaulting an officer of the law for the injury sustained when they knocked the phone from his hand.
Nut, yeah, don’t open the door. Don’t talk to them. Their only purpose in being there is to ruin your day.
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