Imagine the anguish, the despair, the downright anger you would feel when you listen to a recording of your child begging the police to come save their life, knowing that over 100 police officers were standing just yards away preventing other parents from saving your child before he got shot in the face.
The cops are not looking good in this. Now both the left and the right have lost respect for the law.
Nothing good comes next.
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D · May 28, 2022 at 8:07 pm
If the people of Texas don’t have a reckoning with the police, I will lose all respect for that state. Don’t mess with Texas? Fsck you.
NIdahoCatholic · May 28, 2022 at 10:39 pm
Governor Abbott, unless he is a total Deep State tool should insist on a serious investigation as to what exactly happened. And publish everything discovered.
Big Ruckus D · May 28, 2022 at 11:13 pm
Texans like to talk big, but I see way to much normiecon style bullshyte behavior going on there (admittedly from afar, as I don’t live there) so my impression of the place is already badly blemished insofar as it being a truly serious bastion of hard right thinking. Pols like Abbott don’t aid my assessment of the Texan verbal muscle flexing actually carrying over into real results, either
In all fairness though, save for a few online locales like this one, where keyboard warriorism could just as easily be on display as legit hard-assness by essentially anonymous posters (including myself obviously), I see precious little serious talk or even preliminary movement towards putting words to action.
I feel beset on all sides by libtards and scores of pushover conservative do-nothing sheeple/cucks. Yes, my opinions are not generally good fodder for polite conversation, and nearly nobody really knows who they can trust. But I can count on one hand the number of guys I know who will openly talk with me (even in private) of the things that need doing.
So either most people aren’t nearly there yet, or they are remarkably tight lipped and perfectly deflect conversation towards non-controversial topics rather than reciprocating on discussion of controversial subject matter. I don’t really buy the idea there are that many seasoned pros at opsec, so my guess is a very small percentage are presently in the mindset needed to attempt righting the ship. Maybe that number is enough. Better hope so, because overcoming the momentum of the bad guys is hard enough. Avoiding the resistance, friction, and selling out caused by those who are not active operators, but are still believers in and passive defenders of the status quo, will make the task very nearly impossible.
I say all that to preface my expectation that little to nothing will happen to the cops who failed to act approriately in the Uvalde shooting. If some actual discipline and consequences are seen, I’ll be quite surprised, and impressed to have my expectations exceeded.
Now we wait and see what shakes out.
EN2 SS · May 29, 2022 at 4:30 pm
Texans like to talk big? Then you should fit right in, come on down.
Big Ruckus D · May 29, 2022 at 5:37 pm
Just an observation on my part, and if word reaches me in the coming weeks that real action has been taken against the pansy assed crew that set up shop and then waited at the site of the shooting, I’ll be happy to publicly acknowledge that Texans got it right.
Past experience has shown Texas has the same problem most everyplace else right of center does: normie cons and cucks by the boat load. The difference is only one of degree. This isn’t an indictment of bonafide Texans who would – and do – step up to meet a challenge.
But, they are increasingly hamstrung by popular sentiment of a body politic in which the real good old boys who actually understand cause and effect are badly outnumbered by those who are more concerned with being outwardly polite – while actually acting subversively – and maintaining a certain public image. This inarguably effects the tone and efficacy of legislation, as well as enforcement of same, and definitely not for the better. That right there is how government is hopelessly corrupted into the malignant perversion we now see before us.
Unchecked movement of population from other states (and countries) will eventually see to the demographic destruction of the fine state of Texas and it’s rightful inhabitants, just as anywhere else. Much damage has already been done, much as I wish that wasn’t the case.
Roadgeek · May 28, 2022 at 11:50 pm
A great many of those cops will simply need to leave Uvalde. It is simply too small a town for a cowardly cop to melt into the background. And it’s going to be uncomfortable for those cops. Fistfights at the HEB. Ostracism. Rocks thrown at patrol cars. A great many uncooperative witnesses at crime scenes. Small routine calls turning very tense indeed as neighbors notice the police car(s) and come outside to “help”. A great many interpersonal issues will simply be dealt with informally, without the law being involved. The cops simply will not be able to function. A great many of them will need to leave the profession; what other law enforcement agency would have them? And as to the Uvalde ISD police and the Uvalde police department? Both burned down to the slab. Everyone fired or otherwise encouraged to leave, and it has to happen all at once. If this means cops coming over from Del Rio or Castroville or San Antonio to fill in while new cops are hired, so be it. For a new culture to be built within both departments, every single old employee must go.
Governor Abbot has issues as well. There were DPS (Texas state police) holding back frantic parents. As best as I can tell, there were no DPS troopers in that building at any time, except when it came time to write reports. It’s unclear to me how much longer that Colonel Steve McCraw will be the head of the DPS in Texas. He had to give a presser the other day, and he was very uncomfortable. He was compelled to answer questions from civilian reporters, and I could tell he was having real trouble with the whole concept. He’s unused to having his narrative questioned; he’s accustomed to asking questions, not answering them. The idiot ( young male Hispanic) who was the PIO for the DPS has been made to disappear; having him be the face of the DPS was just not working. My wife and I watched him a few times, and we decided we’d start calling him Baghdad Badge. Dunno how much longer McCraw will be head of the DPS, but I wouldn’t bet against him. The Governor’s Mansion burned on his watch, and he survived that one. (One of his troopers was playing video games instead of watching the cameras; the arsonist has not yet been caught.)
I explained to my wife, to the best of my ability, why the school district police chief was in control of the scene, as well as the actions of all of the other police agencies on the scene. Even the first fedgov troops were allowing him to run things, until they mutinied about 30 minutes after they got there. The whole command protocol concept might need to be revisited after Uvalde.
I took some heat the other night on another forum for suggesting that someone should have made entry into the building using a car or a truck. Why, no. You might block the only entrance/exit, preventing children from being able to escape. So forth and so on. Just wait for the janitor to arrive with the key. I still think I was right, and apparently a retired BORTAC trainer agreed with me. He suggested driving a car into the building to gain access. He also suggested that every cop on that scene needs to find other work.
And my wife asked me the question I’ve heard others ask: what if firefighters behaved like the Uvalde cops?
Who should conduct the investigation into what went wrong, and write the report? The Feebs. I hate and despise the FBI, as do a great many others, but the FBI has no skin in this game, and as far as I know, none of their people were on the scene. I think they could get it done. Maybe the Texas Rangers. They’re a part of the DPS, but I trust them, and so do most Texans. And to those wailing about letting the fedgov in, just remember that it was the fedgov who entered that building and snuffed Ramos.
Steve S · May 29, 2022 at 12:24 pm
There were 19 cops in the hall about the 30 minute mark. No breaching required.
Yep · May 29, 2022 at 6:52 am
As a Texan, I will say, Texas is an idea and the vast majority will just talk. WHEN you see or hear something, it’s likely not to be verbalized before hand, or ever.
Like most other places in today’s world, mostly words.
Therefore · May 29, 2022 at 7:32 am
For all the talk about how Texans didn’t Texas that is not what I saw. I saw Texans rushing to the scene and when the cops were not doing they went in. The mother that went in to get her kids.
The off duty or tried cop that left the barbers shop with a borrowed shotgun went in. The border patrol tactical unit that went in apears to have done it on their own without permission.
I don’t remember any stories from parkland of parents rushing in…
It is my belief that the next reported school shooting in a free state will see parents show up ready to breach the school to rescue their kids.
nunya · May 29, 2022 at 8:04 am
become ungovernable…like the Irish did…blades of grass
TRX · May 29, 2022 at 8:40 am
> what other law enforcement agency would have them?
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Unfortunately, bad cops don’t seem to have any problem finding new cop jobs. City and county HRs often don’t seem to have a problem with officers who were fired for cause.
TRX · May 29, 2022 at 8:46 am
> investigation – Maybe the Texas Rangers.
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The same outfit that blue-washed Amber Guyger’s murder of a neighbor, then stood by their report when it was questioned.
The Rangers, like the FBI, are too bent to be saved. They should be disbanded.
Steve S · May 29, 2022 at 12:26 pm
Apparently they don’t need their swat (surround, wait and talk) team. And apparently the cops don’t need guns.
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