Tulsa police raid wrong house. Let’s remove qualified immunity and require police to carry malpractice insurance, like I must do. A million in malpractice insurance costs me less than $200 a year.
Also, look at this stupid stack. This is what a group of people who are not expecting, or have no experience with, taking actual, hostile fire. They way that they are bunched up, all of them could be taken out with a couple of guys armed with battle rifles. That body armor won’t stand up to sustained .308 fire.
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nick flandrey · May 9, 2024 at 11:15 am
“Let’s just saunter up to that doorway…” Anyone waiting for them could have dropped them all. Even just turning on the sprinklers would have disrupted them and probably chased them back to their staging point to ‘regroup’.
If it turns into a regular thing, just let them in and then respond from the other room, or fire up you coffee creamer FA mixture…
Someone that really required that level of takedown would have lookouts or a hardened doorway, and would be out the back door faster Jack McBooty.
Crazy to watch them cosplaying.
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Elrod · May 9, 2024 at 11:22 am
“Incompetence Should Hurt.”
A lot
“Let’s remove qualified immunity and require police to carry malpractice insurance, like I must do.”
Perfectly reasonable proposal, and opposition to it should be categorized as “why are you against police departments and their officers accepting responsibility for their on-job performance? What else do you want your police agencies to not be responsible for?”
It would be interesting to see what happens when Agency X in City Y is denied insurance by all providers because of their previous record. Which means that statutory structure for it must be worded veeeerrrrry carefully to prevent bogus “self insurance” programs that make funds unavailable or extremely difficult to access for the citizens abused.
IcyReaper · May 9, 2024 at 12:25 pm
And yet nothing will be done. Even during the defund the police time, no one on either side brought up remove the immunity issue at all. Funny how that is. Because both sides want to use LEO’s for enforcing their version of Rule of law and order on their enemies….
Maybe we should stop commenting on crappy tactics that we can turn back on them, dont want to let the cat out of the bag too early.
noway2 · May 9, 2024 at 2:16 pm
I would go a step further than removing qualified immunity, and would make it expressly permissible to treat them as unlawful, forcible, home invaders and put them down.
This nonsense needs to stop.
And yes, had they been up against a hardened target, they would have had their assess handed to them. Personally, I long for the day that the news reports the cops getting defeated in a bloodbath. They are not protectors of the public. They have become the enemy.
Big Ruckus D · May 9, 2024 at 9:25 pm
Amen to that. And let us hope they continue to use such stupidly dangerous formations. That will make the job of staging an effective counterstrike so much easier when someone actually decides to say fuck it and go live.
JNorth · May 9, 2024 at 3:40 pm
The real problem is they don’t have qualified immunity, they have absolute immunity. If I’m on a State construction project you can’t sue me because you don’t like roads, you can sue the State to try and stop it, but the workers on the project have qualified immunity if they are just doing their job. On the other hand, if I didn’t bother to read the plans and just drove a D-9 Cat through your house instead of the field across the street I’m totally liable, no immunity because I wasn’t doing my job properly. You wouldn’t, however, be able to sue the designer as the plans he stamped didn’t call for driving a D-9 through your house.
oldvet50 · May 10, 2024 at 6:40 am
JNorth, you hit the proverbial nail on the head with that comment. Spot on! Qualified immunity was never meant to protect incompetence.
Burn It All Down · May 9, 2024 at 6:29 pm
Incompetence and feckless loserdom are rewarded in steaming fourth world turd FUSA.
Just look at the quisling cucks saving Mike Johnson today.
How long will it last?
Steve S6 · May 9, 2024 at 6:48 pm
So much to unpack in this other case from Florida.
https://apnews.com/article/police-shooting-airman-florida-8bcc82463ada69264389edf2a4f1a83d
Responding to a disturbance call. Got the wrong apartment. Didn’t announce. Dude is on face chat by himself. No way they heard a disturbance. Cops should be culpable for homicide in cases like that.
Skyler the Weird · May 9, 2024 at 8:53 pm
I think that’s what may have happened in Charlotte last week. The cops were probably bunched up not expecting fire and eight of them were shot. Amazing how that story disappeared from National News.
Scot Irish · May 9, 2024 at 11:11 pm
I saw a video of a police SUV taking rounds and slowly rolling backwards. The shooter was an exception to the demographic.
Paulb · May 11, 2024 at 12:03 pm
Last week was a great missed opportunity to sell those “is that Level IV body armor?” doormats.
TRX · May 10, 2024 at 8:56 am
I was on the receiving end of a raid in (cue irony) 1984. They hit at a little after 9 in the morning, after I’d just gotten to sleep after working my fourth 7-to-7 night shift in a row. They were trying to body-slam the front door open. I guess they didn’t have the Big Pipe(tm) back then. Pretty decent 1940s door; it held long enough for me to get there, establish that they were police, and enquire WTF they wanted.
They wanted in, it was a drug bust.
Show me the warrant.
They didn’t need no steenkeeng warrant.
No warrant, no entry.
Officer Friendly’s buddies start trying to kick in the back door.
Somehow the police got the idea anyone forcing their way inside would be met with armed resistance. No body armor back then. I’m cranky when I get awakened by jackasses trying to kick my door in. Kicking stops.
Standoff for a while, with trash talk and threats. I observe all five of the local PD’s patrol cars in my yard or the street, the two unmarked-but-obviously-cop-cars driven by the detectives, a paddy wagon, which was marked as from an adjoining town’s PD, and a TV news van with guys set up with cameras on tripods.
After about 20 minutes a car slams to a stop in the street, a guy jumps out and runs to the top cop waving a sheet of paper. Top Cop passes it to a flunky, who bangs on the door and says they have the warrant. I unlock the door, and he and his buddies try to body-slam it open. Foiled by the cheap Wal-Mart chain and flip-down door stop again. I think the three steps up to the door hosed their momentum.
I take the paper, look, and the warrant is for the house diagonally across the street. I pass the warrant back and make a comment about remedial reading. More trash talk, and then they pack up and drive away, the occupants of the correct house having long since un-assed the area.
The cops did extensive damage to both doors and the adjacent walls, but the various city officials were quite clear that they weren’t going to pay for repairs.
After that, I made extensive preparations for any future attacks.
Don Shift · May 10, 2024 at 11:32 am
The problem with the insurance idea is that it still insulates people from the consequences of their misbehavior. Pretty much everyone has auto insurance, but it doesn’t make people better drivers because having a car accident and the increasing premium is simply accepted as a cost of doing business. It may be a little bit different for professional insurance, but I think the concept stays true.
And then, as with the concept of professional insurance, you’re simply going to see lawyers, chasing after a payout and the insurance companies paying because they will generally take the most conservative option every time.
I think as we see in medicine we see in policing. If you hire better people and enforce standards, you get better results. Dr. DEI is probably as incompetent as Officer Cletus.
Unfortunately, I simply think we are at a relative limit of what can be achieved in medicine and policing. Probably the best solution is to fire the people who screwed up, bar them from policing, And make sure that the leadership that allows things like this to happen is forced out.
EN2 SS · May 10, 2024 at 5:20 pm
I will refer you to the situation in Houston, TX. Two term dark tinted mayor moves to fed rep, city elects new white(what the hell is up with that shit?)demoncrat mayor. Comes out that for 8 years cops have been classifying mostly rape cases as dropped due to not enough manpower, dark tinted chief didn’t know squat about it, even though years ago he answered an email about that shit going on. New demoncrat mayor lets chief retire with no repercussions, we’ll do better in the future(where have I heard that lie before?). Mean while thousands of women have been assaulted with no penalties. Gotta LOVE a demoncrap run city. FYI, I sold my house and moved to better a climate last year.
Aesop · May 11, 2024 at 3:14 am
Not necessarily. Can’t get insurance, because you’re a career f**k-up? Bummer. Guess who’s either terminated, put on permanent desk duty and the rubber-gun list, or losing their house the next time they screw the poochie.
Too bad, so sad.
Divemedic · May 12, 2024 at 1:54 pm
I agree with Aesop. I am in a specialty that is high risk for nursing. In emergency, we are permitted as nurses to write our own orders. I can order tests, xrays, and even some medications. In the absence of orders, I can override the automated systems and give medicines. Even with all of that, my malpractice insurance costs me less than $200 a year for a million in liability coverage. Why is it so cheap? Because I am not an incompetent retard.
If I was a royal fuckup, I would not be able to get insurance at any price. That is how lawsuits and the ambulance chasers that file them serve an important service to the public. If cops were the same, the incompetent ones would soon be out of a job.
Aesop · May 11, 2024 at 3:15 am
“Mama always said Stupid is as Stupid does.” – Forest Gump
Don Curton · May 11, 2024 at 7:11 am
Agree with the comments. My input is that the cops seem ready to bust the door down after maybe 5 seconds of knocking. Hell, it takes me about a minute or more just to get up off the couch. I’d never make it to the door in time to open, so I guess I gotta prepare to replace it sooner or later.
Divemedic · May 11, 2024 at 7:31 am
Aesop · May 11, 2024 at 9:43 pm
Tannerite Timmy is always on the job.
Don’t forget his pals Rex and Fluffy, the tannerite-stuffed doggies front yard and back.
Bonus points for motion-triggered recordings of growling noises, and ditto for the motion-triggered motor that jerks Timmy’s arms up with the airsoft MP-5 coming up to the ready.
Kick In Door, Wait For FOOM!
Let’s make politely knocking, and asking for entry great again.
I’m also a yuuuuuge fan of AR-500 doors and frames, with crossbars, hurricane film on all the windows, and the mother of all rosebush hedges around the entire place.
Retirement house is gonna have it all.
Shouldn’t take them more than 15 or 20 minutes to breach.