This was just sent to me: A company is selling pepper ball guns, as long as you aren’t in New York or California. I don’t have one, but I am wondering if anyone has experience with this company.
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Don Curton · February 10, 2022 at 8:14 am
Why?
What I imagine is that now you’d have to carry two “guns”. The pepperball gun for when you want to stop someone without killing them, and a real gun for when the pepperball gun doesn’t work. Seems like a hassle.
OTOH, if they do work and incapacitate people, then why don’t we immediately confiscate all police firearms and provide them with this? If cops don’t have real guns, the odds of accidentally on purpose killing someone decreases drastically. SWAT teams performing 3 am no-knock raids suddenly turn a lot less lethal with pepperball only weapons. Sounds like a win for us!
Divemedic · February 10, 2022 at 12:03 pm
I used to think that those who carry pepper spray in addition to a firearm were nuts. Then I came around, and I carry that as well.
It also appears as though you can carry this into places that are prohibited in Florida. As in, it is not considered to be a weapon.
Russell G. · February 11, 2022 at 6:56 pm
“…you can carry this into places that are prohibited in Florida.” Well, not always…You mean it’s not listed in s.790.x for CCW. It depends on what the state/private “institution’s” policy is. And, they almost always do have a policy at this point. I carry both anyway. Don’t ask and don’t tell in some places. Most often, tho, I flaunt the OC.
a · February 10, 2022 at 9:27 am
My first thought was “Why” but then I right off can think of a couple of situations where a 5 round pepperball gun might be appropriate.
For one thing, think back to the summer of 2020 and “mostly peaceful protests”
It’s not that far of a reach to imagine a situation where you’re in you’re home and a nasty mob is starting to form too close to your home for comfort. A pepperball gun might escalate things to where you don’t want, but it might offer the possibility of moving some folks along if they’re working themselves up to destroying your property or worse. Gives you at least a chance of moving them along before they work themselves up to the molotov cocktail stage, where you’d have to shoot and even then might not be able to stop them.
I could also see the pepperball gun being useful in the same way against out of control aggressive dogs that got away from their owner, or hell here in Florida I’d be willing to try it as a standoff dissuader for snakes and alligators.
Pepper spray and the like aren’t a guarantee, but if you have the time and space to deploy it, it can give you the chance to stop an encounter before it gets to where you’re going to be on the news for defending yourself.
joe · February 10, 2022 at 1:17 pm
believe I’ve seen the name but never handled the product… every police “took/weapon” does not work 100% of the time… depends on too many factors… even shooting someone may not stop them from killing someone before they die…
unless these have some cs in them then will work about as good as mace/pepper spray which ain’t to well … you would be better off with a taser or bean bag for non lethal
Jonathan · February 10, 2022 at 1:32 pm
I’ve seen them but have no experience with them.
The others I’ve seen were brightly colored; this looks like a gun, so people will assume it IS a gun, which could be good or bad depending on the situation.
if I wanted a less lethal option, I’d use pepper spray; to me these are expensive, longer ranged, and an unknown at this time… I don’t think the extra range will help and if you use it at short ranges, you could get some yourself.
The best use I can think of for this is deterring wild animals, for example keeping deer out of gardens.
Ratus · February 10, 2022 at 4:01 pm
Here’s a quick look at it along with some other less lethal stuff by John Correia and James Reeves on TFBtv
https://youtu.be/zkQXAv910AY
Will · February 10, 2022 at 4:22 pm
I have heard “experts” say that spray is better because with balls you need a direct hit. With spray not so much and it is easier to walk spray into your target.
Danny · February 10, 2022 at 4:54 pm
Carry a pepper gun and a sawed-off shotgun loaded with rock salt.
Seasoning!
GerryB · February 10, 2022 at 6:38 pm
Personally if I want “less” lethal I send a dog or 3. I carry to protect the dogs. My weapons are only lethal if you are stupid or unable to appreciate self preservation.
Iwoots · February 10, 2022 at 10:58 pm
Um, no. Unless the mechanism punctures the CO2 cylinder on the first squeeze of the trigger, the CO2 cylinder would have to be inserted/punctured at all times. Maybe it has better seals than my CO2 bb gun (at that price, I hope so), but I’m not willing to wager my safety on such.
Bert · February 11, 2022 at 6:43 am
A discussion about utilizing civilized weapons during uncivil times, I do not have enough popcorn for this.
My only experience with less lethal was in that very dark room with all the other recruits where the chap in the Smokey bear hat had us take the masks off. My take away from that. There are folks that stuff doesn’t work on, at all.
Folks being “nice” to other folks who just really need to be beat good with a sock full of soap is a fair share of why we are where we are at.
EN2 SS · February 11, 2022 at 1:51 pm
Bert ☝🏼☝🏼👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👌🏻👌🏻☝🏼☝🏼
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