There is no such thing as a friendly chat with an FBI agent. I will refer you to an old video, titled “Don’t talk to the police.” Don’t talk to the cops, no matter what. They aren’t your friends. They aren’t there to help you. They are there to make a case to arrest someone, and they will get the arrest that requires them to do the least amount of work they can. They get to pad their stats and look good for getting a felony collar without having to do any police work at all.
The cops may not have enough to arrest someone, but you talking will give them what they need. If they DO have enough to arrest you, there is nothing you can say that will talk them out of it. Refuse to talk to them, close the door, and go about the rest of your life.
First, let’s see the ‘friendly chat.’
Now watch this most instructive video. It’s 45 minutes long, but well worth your time:
22 Comments
Robert (Not Rob) · September 13, 2023 at 9:04 pm
The guy in the first video said way too much to the officers. He did manage to remain polite and sent them away without being rude or incriminating himself.
Well done!
Dirty Dingus McGee · September 13, 2023 at 9:07 pm
In the first video, dude spent 4 minutes too long talking to the cops/fbi. Who are you? Why are you here? Do you have a warrant? No. Goodbye. I had to learn that the hard way some 30 years ago.
Jonesy · September 14, 2023 at 12:00 am
One has to wonder….if the FBI shows up at your door, your OPSEC might not be as good as it needs to be, or you’re involved in something that that you shouldn’t be, or close to someone that is.
You have to be careful in your associations. That’s why, no matter how bad you want to, it’s probably not a good idea to join any major political demonstration groups or anything that resembles a militia. The feds likely have eyes on it already, or may even be embedded. I had a relative that wanted to join the local proud boys network in his area. I told him to forget about it. A year later they got mixed up in J6.
It sucks that exercising your rights (like the guys that showed up armed against the NM governor’s order) or political activism overlap with you possibly being exposed to government LE.
EN2 SS · September 14, 2023 at 7:00 am
And not standing up for our rights has worked out so well, so far, hasn’t it? There is a philosophy of “Stand up or live on your knees” or some such.
Jonesy · September 14, 2023 at 6:22 pm
I’m not saying not to stand up for your rights, I’m saying be careful of your associations and be aware of the risks. Groups like the proud boys or the Michigan militia are high-profile, and will likely get you on a list. As would maybe protesting a gun law in head to toe tactical gear, and a full combat loadout.
TheLastOfTheAmericans · September 14, 2023 at 1:14 am
That second video is huge, and more people need to see it. I remember back when it hit the internet.
If every criminal that’s been on First 48 since that video came out had seen it beforehand, 98% of the crimes they admitted to would still be unsolved or they would have plead out to lesser charges. I don’t really mind them admitting to the crimes – but low IQ crime be like it is.
Also, cops are like vampires. They can’t come in without a warrant…outside of “exigent circumstances” – which is kind of nebulous. If they hear screaming or see someone flipping out, bad things can happen. Just answer the door, ask them politely what they want, and tell them no thank you when they ask to talk but don’t tell you why. I’d recommend against ignoring them purely because you don’t want the bad ones making crap up to generate a warrant. Record it. That FBI agent is full of shit claiming the guy can’t.
The FBI? Yeah, not those guys. They want a word out of me, they can call my lawyer.
I had a cop come to my door in an affluent neighborhood a decades ago. There had been a gang banger running around blasting music and generally being an asshat in his low rider. When I went outside to see what he was doing, he stopped in front my place and started screaming at me. I gave him some choice words, and went inside.
About an hour later, a cop showed up at my door. He asked to talk to me outside. Thinking nothing of it I stepped outside. He asked me to turn around, cuffed me, searched me and found my conceal carry. He lost his god damned mind…”How dare you bring this to your door! I am the POLICE!” and other screaming ensued. This is in an area where the median income is triple digits and the townhouse I was in cost about 400k in 2010 dollars.
Ran the gun, put me up against a car. He never did question me as I stood there for 20 minutes. When he came back, the only word I said was “supervisor.”
The supervisor got there, took one look at me, one look at the rookie cop, and uncuffed me and handed me my gun. He walked me back to my house and apologized. I had lunch with him a few days later after an email to the chief about the ordeal. Really good guy.
He was also the one who gave me the vampire advice.
They aren’t all bad.
Divemedic · September 14, 2023 at 6:27 am
I used to think that not all cops were bad
until I realized the truth. Did the supervisor fire the rookie cop who cuffed you on your own porch? No? Then he is a bad cop as well.
Toastrider · September 14, 2023 at 7:06 am
He may not be able to. Public sector unions are a thing.
That being said, making your police department look bad guarantees Junior’s gonna have the worst assignments for a while.
Vlad · September 14, 2023 at 3:40 am
That second video, all I can say is THANK YOU! DM for posting that!
Never in my 40+ or so years of carrying concealed and researching/ listening to various trainers have I ever heard, “EVERYTHING will be used against you and EVERYTHING exculpatory will be called hearsay.
Even Mr. Ayoob says to tell the first cop on scene this, that and the other.
When in reality, saying nothing is the proper course of action.
Rick · September 14, 2023 at 4:53 pm
Mas says to talk with cops. He has said this many times. He produced a video as a response to comments from others who pointed to the 2nd video and others like it from attorneys advising not to talk to cops. Mas’ video was from around the time the woman cop entered the wrong apartment in her apartment building. She shot dead the lawful tenant thinking he was an intruder.
Ignore Mas Ayoob. Take advice from him at your own peril.
Divemedic · September 14, 2023 at 6:28 pm
I’ve met Mas at several matches, and took some courses from his Lethal Force Institute back in the early 90’s. Heck, he is the President of the Second Amendment Foundation. You have to remember that Mas Ayoob was a part time cop and this gives him a bit of a blind spot, so as far as he is concerned, they are all good and honorable. Maybe they were, back in his day.
When I say that he was a police officer, take that with a grain of salt. He was a “part time” police officer in a town with only 3,000 residents. In my experience, this is a way for politically well connected people to backdoor their way into getting the ability to carry a concealed weapon in states that normally don’t allow them. Keep that in mind.
Using a situation where a stupid cop broke into someone else’s house by mistake and then shot the resident does not support talking to the cops. Does anyone really think that the stupid bitch of an officer was ready to talk to the guy she shot?
Unknownsailor · September 14, 2023 at 5:08 am
The FBI agent is correct, credit card fraud is a Secret Service thing, not FBI. I was an intern at a field office for 6 months in 2019, and the agents there handled stuff like that routinely. They do money counterfeiting, too, but everyone knows that I think.
They won’t do anything more than take a report if it is small money though. They won’t open a case for a fake $20 bill, but $2,000 worth of fake $20 bills? They will investigate that.
Skyler the Weird · September 14, 2023 at 6:21 am
Those guys don’t look like FBI agents. No blue blazer, no khaki pants, no maroon tie. I’d be suspicious of them too.
Zarba · September 14, 2023 at 8:17 am
This needs to be a pinned post. Brilliant.
Aesop · September 14, 2023 at 1:38 pm
1) Feds always travel in pairs, to confirm anything said. Including perjury and/or lying to a federal agent, if your initial story changes so much as a comma the second time through. Don’t give them a first time baseline, and avoid that trap.
2) The local LEO is there in case you say something incriminating on a non-federal level. Which gives locals and feds leverage over you.
3) “Why are your here? Good luck with your inquiries. Good bye.” The only three things you should say in their presence.
4) Video #2 should be mandatory viewing for every single student every year from 9th grade to 12th grade, and require passing a test afterwards to receive a high school diploma. It should be required again at the Associate’s and Bachelor’s level, for those degrees. It is, bar none, the best practical explanation of your Constitutional rights you will ever get, for less than $500/hour.
There should even be SERE roleplay briefings on this for high school students.
(For that matter, there are some excellent study materials on SERE open-sourced you should probably become familiar with, even if you never have or never will serve in the military:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-crl3_C3Ko&t=50s)
The test answers are all the same: STFU.
Not even “Hi. Have a nice day.” Just STFU. “Remain silent” isn’t just a phrase.
Maybe “Sorry, I can’t talk to you.” if you’re staying friendly, or trying to.
And they will try to piss you off, to crack that answer open and get you to start blabbering.
Resist the urge.
STFU.
You can never talk your way out of handcuffs if they’re going to put them on, let alone once they’ve already done so.
You will never talk your way out of an interview room without a defense lawyer present.
(And the stakes are never getting to dinner, going to work, going home now, or whatever petty concerns are on your mind. The stakes are not going to jail of prison for months to years. Try to remember that when you’re sitting there, just waiting.)
You can never get in any more trouble by S-ingTFU. Never.
But you can dig yourself in deep enough to never be free again by not S-ingTFU.
Jason · September 14, 2023 at 3:26 pm
https://youtu.be/JTurSi0LhJs?si=toJmxGxRKIOMM1hQ
Rick · September 14, 2023 at 5:21 pm
The difficulty not addressed is when you’re somewhat inebriated when the cops come.
As comedian Ron White says, I have the right to remain silent, but not the ability.
Unfortunately, I once found myself in that bind.
Someone thought I was about to drive after several drinks. That they were woefully mistaking had no bearing on the cops showing up. And rough housing me in the form of physically jerking me around.
Of course they were trying to incite my response. Conversation ran on for ten more minutes or so. The two rookies would tag team talking smack and making furtive movements. Their Sgt stood back watching me.
Over the years I’ve had about <20 contacts with police. Some were very awful, including multiple times scary close to being shot. I've been arrested exactly once and that was for trespassing at age 17 (nigh 50 yrs ago). Just two contacts were civil, both being highway patrolman very close to retirement.
Cops have proven rhat individually they cannot be trusted. At a dinner party, a motorcycle cop openly admitted to trying to cause vehicle accidents. Then he laughed about it. Only one anecdote but not to be forgotten. Then to hear or read about friends and neighbors and citizens with similar or worse anecdotes involving cops. Be onguard about cops. I wonder if POST teaches that all citizens are the enemy.
Divemedic · September 14, 2023 at 6:35 pm
I have similar tales of woe. Lest you believe that I have a problem with cops because I am a criminal, which is what every cop claims, I haven’t even had a traffic ticket in more than 20 years. I get finger printed every couple of years, and drug tested periodically. Always clean.
Jester · September 14, 2023 at 10:53 pm
I can confirm that most of the traffic stops of any sort are bogus and cops admit to setting them up. Wanna set up for a DUI, park outside of a bar and just pull anyone over even if they appear impared or not. Wanna get more push on a traffic stop, well we don’t much bother with high dollar vehicles doing 20 plus over because they can fight it. But nab that beater supposedly doing 5 over in a 30 that’s a woman just trying to go pick up her kids in an area that’s a no reason to drop to that speed limit, full force because we are the blue line protecthing teh nationz! I’ve watched the second vid a few times over to remember it by heart, it’s bookmarked and saved. Plain and simple don’t talk to the cops. While I feel bad if you observed or know something that can genuinely help them catch the bad guy, fuck them. So many of them, so many departments have not done an actual investigation instead of going after the first person they bring in for “questioning” that they deserve a lot of introspection. While I may not agree with the defund the police methods on the surface I agree that cutting them off and making them do a lot of things diffrently are required. I won’t go in to my accounts here with the police here but the St Anthony cop that shot a unarmed woman calling them for help on something? Ive had run ins with that cop shop and by and large they can pound sand. When I heard that story break I was less than surprised to say the least about those bullies.
Bad Dancer · September 15, 2023 at 8:09 am
And never forget that be being not quiet helpful enough or talking about their history of baby and dog murder you open yourself up to being jerked around. Where are you coming from and going to, what kind of dog is that, do you know why I pulled you over, what’s your business for being here.
Yes sir, no sir, what’s your RAS, good day.
Lackluster is full of videos of cops standing in open doorways to homes, their foot or body in the door after being told the home owner does not want to talk to them and they need to leave. Home owner asks if they can close the door, cop says I don’t know can you? If you hit me with it I’ll arrest you for assaulting an officer. So guy goes and sits on his couch while the cop points his flashlight at his face and around the house saying how it doesn’t have to be like this he just wants to talk .
Divemedic · September 15, 2023 at 9:23 am
That’s why I have a camera doorbell. Don’t breach the perimeter.
Aesop · September 15, 2023 at 11:48 am
That law professor needs to post another video, called
“Don’t answer the goddamned door!”
Plan A:
“Open up! This is the police!”
Dead silence.
“Open up! This is the police!
Dead silence.
Eventually, they get bored, and wander off.
Plan B (if they can see you inside)
“Open up! This is the police!”
“I don’t talk to police without my attorney present. If you’ve got a warrant, come on in! If not, fuck off. I’m listening to loud music on headphones, so I’m done talking with you. B’Bye.(Put headphones on. Turn up music until you can’t hear them.)”
Game over.
If they can’t see inside, they can’t “observe” any twenty things that give them PC to enter.
They can’t testi-lie that they smelled pot, a dead body, or a meth lab.
They can’t do a host of things that opening the door opens you up to, and if they’re going to break the law, your door isn’t going to stop them anyways.
If they aren’t going to break the law, or the door, and you’ve already seen the second video, there’s no reason to ever open it. Eventually, their knuckles get sore, and they get a more important call.
Or they’re getting a warrant, and they’ll be talking to you soon enough.
If it’s that, you should be calling a lawyer anyways.
And if your door is rather harder than average to break down, you’ll eliminate a lot of opportunity for things to go pear-shaped in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9SNXpeORY&t=198s
https://youtu.be/v9BFkqGBk-U?t=246
You’re never in more danger than when the police are around, and interested in you. Much like bears in the wild, the situation is best avoided altogether.
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