There are still people out there who are trying to turn Craig Robertson into a martyr. Let’s look at what got him a visit from the FBI. First, there was the threats:
This isn’t a direct threat, and probably won’t trigger an FBI visit. However, when it gets to this point:
Note how specific those were. Threatening to kill people, especially the President, will generally get you a visit from the Feds. This goes beyond protected speech. He said both how, when, and where. Kind of stupid, to be honest.
We know that he had been visited before:
So you have a guy that is issuing specific threats to kill the President this week in Utah. He has threatened multiple officials in the past, and you have gone to talk to him about it. Instead of cooling it a bit, he doubles down, and this time says if the FBI comes back, he is going to shoot at them.
So with the President coming to Utah, they decide to pay him a visit. Only this time, instead of a friendly chat, they decide to come by with a warrant and some felony charges. How would you go there, if you were in their shoes?
Look, in this case, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. FAFO, however you want to put it. If you are going to issue specific threats to kill someone, you gotta expect them to take it seriously. That’s a crime, and this is entirely Mr Robertson’s fault for being a loudmouthed dumbass.
This isn’t Waco, it isn’t an FBI overreaction, and it isn’t anyone in the Feebs sending a message. It’s not protected speech. This guy isn’t Ashley Babbitt. This is a loudmouthed idiot who couldn’t stop his mouth from writing checks that his ass wasn’t ready to cash. I’m just not going to make this guy into a martyr.
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Rick · August 10, 2023 at 2:34 pm
How often have you heard that its the loudmouths to watch out for. Thats right, never.
But he did have to be investigated.
pchappel · August 10, 2023 at 4:06 pm
Yeah, growing up where I did it was usually the “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes”… Might just have been Joliet/Chicago, but… Writing down your threats to the FBI and being surprised that this happens? Shouldn’t be, but…
Birdog357 · August 10, 2023 at 4:22 pm
Listen to today’s Glenn Beck episode. 1st hour he interviews a friend of the dipshit. Later on he interviews a former feeb that belonged to the team that did surveillance on guys like this. He pointed out several things that should have been done different that wouldn’t have ended with the guy assuming room temp.
Birdog357 · August 10, 2023 at 6:34 pm
Here’s the part I was talking about https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/former-fbi-agent-says-this-is-the-biggest-issue-with-utah-raid
Divemedic · August 10, 2023 at 7:32 pm
Pure speculation. Unless some other evidence comes to light, I don’t see anything worth getting anyone tied up in knots making this dumbass a martyr.
Just because he is a gun owner who hated Biden doesn’t make him a saint.
Birdog357 · August 10, 2023 at 9:49 pm
He ain’t a saint. No argument from me. Doesn’t change the fact that the FBI appeared to screw up by the numbers here. Just like Waco, there were plenty of opportunities to take the guy down quietly. But then they wouldn’t get to play Rambo… You should listen to the entire show. The first hour had an interview with someone that actually knew the guy. He physically couldn’t carry through on his threats, and the FBI knew it, since they interviewed him in April. All they needed to do was detail one cop to sit in front of his house and watch him.
Olguy · August 10, 2023 at 6:01 pm
You can Think anything you want…
But to vocalize crap like that and Transmitt it?
Just flat out STUPID.
He evidently had no self control or comprehension, unless the idiot was out to suicide by whomever.
He screwed the pooch. Full Stop.
No Sympathy from this olguy.
Good Riddance to Trouble.
Jen · August 11, 2023 at 7:04 am
Not excusing him, but *Age*. His posts are that of a blowhard, while family describe him as doting grandpa. One thing I noticed with my dad was the impatience and illogical quick anger started off the charts at about 75. Still ‘with it,’ still Dad, but some executive functions started to dwindle. This guy may have been functional on a day to day basis, but maybe not as prudent or rational as when he was younger. If he really did get cautioned, family should have stepped in and reined him in. But they didn’t.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 7:37 am
Ah, the doting granpa. How sweet. How is that any different than claiming he was an aspiring rapper who was just turning his life around?
Jen · August 11, 2023 at 8:40 am
Not the dindu excuse at all. I’m just saying that age related personality changes may have been a factor. His lack of common sense, anger and impulse control isn’t congruent with his family history.
Puff · August 10, 2023 at 8:35 pm
I’m going to point out that at 6:15 in the am, this was likely a no knock. This is the exact outcome that would be expected…
Jen · August 11, 2023 at 8:41 am
Agree. Kinda feel they wanted to make an example of someone.
Noway2 · August 10, 2023 at 9:37 pm
I am going to respectfully, partially, disagree with you. What he did was stupid. He is not a martyr. He is not a saint. At the same time, from what I’ve been reading, I also don’t think he was a real threat. Even from what I have read, it sounds like he largely vocalized what I suspect a lot of people are thinking and it shows what’s bubbling under the surface. I have also developed, I believe legitimate, distrust of the FIB and DOJ in general and this leads me to suspect this is more of an attempt at show of force to try to intimidate normal people, more than anything. It’s along the lines of raids against certain abortion protestors. I think that what you’re seeing as deifying him is more a reflection of the hatred and despise of the govt. and especially it’s (law) enforcement divisions than anything else.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 7:39 am
So the lesson here is “don’t make illegal threats to kill the president.” I also disagree that this is to intimidate normal people. Normal people don’t threaten to kill the AG, the Governor of California, the President, FBI agents, and numerous other officials, then post pictures of themselves wearing ghillie suits and carrying rifles.
unknownsailor · August 10, 2023 at 11:06 pm
Been saying for years now, after the feds started to roll up 6 Jan people, that making threats online is 1) stupid, 2) worth nothing, and 3) gives the feds an excuse to jam the business end of a giant crow bar into your bunghole, and pry your ass wide open.
Don’t make threats. Not even once, not ever. The left has seen us do that for decades, and never act on them. They have concluded, and not without a valid reason, that we are all bark and no bite.
And yes, Aesop, I can hear you winding up to start your usual chest puffed out buffoonery. That means you too.
Ownerus · August 10, 2023 at 11:58 pm
*IF* he really said those things, I agree.
But I remember Waco where “an FBI spokesman said….”
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 7:40 am
As I said, unless and until more facts come to light, I have to assume that this guy was a criminal. To do otherwise is to engage in pointless speculation.
Dirty Dingus McGee · August 11, 2023 at 8:46 am
I doubt there will be any more facts coming out. If there is anything in his favor, it will never see the light of day. The mold has been cast and it can’t be changed now.
Was he dumb? Most likely yes. However from past experience of seeing how the alphabet gangs operate, there is a fair bit of doubt in their version of events.I think they are/were looking to make an example, an this guy was a convenient stooge.I trust the feds version of things about as far as I can throw a Cadillac.
TCK · August 11, 2023 at 3:09 am
So, basically, you’re saying that when democrats do it to conservatives, its protected free speech, while conservatives doing the same things deserve to be murdered in their home by the Gestapo.
Good to know.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 7:43 am
Nope. When Democrats threaten the President, it’s illegal too. However, there is an important legal difference. A rap video of someone killing the President is not the same thing as “I am going to be famous when I kill the President in Utah next week.” That sentence is guaranteed to get you a visit from the Feebs, which this guy knew, because they had already come to see him once about his threats.
Instead of backing off, he continued doing it, but upped the ante by saying “And I will kill the next group of FBI agents you send over here, too.”
Sorry, I just can’t leap that far into the kool aid vat.
oldvet50 · August 11, 2023 at 8:52 am
You already knew this! There are certain people (of certain political parties) that you can threaten and be cheered on for doing so. Look at Kathy Griffin’s picture holding DJT’s severed head by the hair, dripping blood. Let’s not forget Maxine Waters telling her supporters to harrass Republicans wherever you find them, or Sen. Schumer threatening the SCOTUS justices that he disagrees with. Of course, a rap video of someone killing the president is OK because the people that watch that kind of entertainment are level headed and rational people that could never be influenced to act upon that to get street cred.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 8:58 am
But none of those things rose to the same level as what this guy did. They were very careful to approach the line without crossing it. This guy crossed the line. There is a lesson to be taken from this, but too many people aren’t getting it.
Don W Curton · August 11, 2023 at 7:48 am
Not going to argue that this guy was probably an ass and should have kept his mouth shut. But anyone remember this?
https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-George-W-Bush-Story/dp/1430321350
An entire novel, a “love story”, of a deranged liberal wanting to assassinate the president. Yeah, maybe a difference of a few details, but somehow they always get a pass.
But yeah, never issue direct threats. If you feel that strongly, just …
Well, use your imagination. Maybe write a novel and get Amazon to market it for you.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 8:27 am
A story about someone who kills the President, and sending out a message that says “I am going to kill the President with my sniper rifle next week while the President is in my home town making a speech. I’m gonna be famous.” are two entirely different things.
Come on, you are smarter than that. You know the difference.
Just because he is nominally “on your side” doesn’t mean he gets a pass. It’s mental gymnastics and just makes those of you making the argument look like hypocrites.
Don W Curton · August 11, 2023 at 11:46 am
Yes, you’re right – there’s a difference in details between a direct and actionable threat and a voiced fantasy. My point is that the left walks all around that line every day and the media along with 3-letter agencies ignore it.
This guy does what he does (stupid and illegal, absolutely) and gets capped.
He ain’t on my side, I ain’t on his side. I just know the po-po, the 3-letter agencies, the govt (local and fed), and the media absolutely ain’t on our side.
Elrod · August 11, 2023 at 8:23 am
Yeah, Robertson was an idiot who jumped up and down on his own dick with golf shoes.
That said, I’m waiting for Biden (or whomever is loading the script program) to stipulate that holding an election that might replace him is insurrectionist so all voters not registered as Democrat need to be arrested by the FBI.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 8:29 am
and when that happens, I will also speak against that. But that isn’t what is or has happened. Try to at least be rational about what is happening.
Toastrider · August 11, 2023 at 11:39 am
Be the gray man, not the meme man.
Tsgt Joe · August 11, 2023 at 1:06 pm
At the risk of sounding like I’m supporting the vopo’s, this guy signed his own death warrant. Specific threats to kill the resident an threatening to kill the next cops that come by just about guaranteed a kill squad kicking his door open. I’m also a grouchy old man that finds everybody and everything irritates the piss out of me, except maybe my dog bobby. But unless you can show some seriously diminished mental capacity he should have known what could happen. The frikken cops shoot kittens and puppies and kids why wouldnt you expect them to shoot a man making threats.
Gryphon · August 11, 2023 at 2:20 pm
Yes, this guy was Stupid, making Explicit Threats of Violence on the Internet.
Yes, Maybe he was a Crazy Old Guy who didn’t GAF.
Yes, the feds ‘Knew about him’.
That’s where this went Wrong. Just like any other similar Incidents, up to and including Waco, all the pigs had to do was Wait until he left his home, and Arrest him quietly.
But no, it is Obvious that the fedpigs wanted to ‘Make an Example’ of him, so they Break In his Door early in the morning, virtually guaranteeing that he would pull a Gun on them, giving an ‘excuse’ to Shoot him Down like a barking Dog. This kind of Nazi-Level Thuggery is neither Justified nor Excusable, no matter what kind of Threats he made.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 3:17 pm
But isn’t this the same argument as “The cops didn’t need to pull him over for speeding, because they had his plate number, and therefore knew who he was. Sure, he pulled a gun on them during the traffic stop, but they didn’t need to pull him over.”
It's just Boris · August 11, 2023 at 3:12 pm
An odd thing about this, though.
I thought the Secret Service was the agency that tracks down and assesses threats like this, not the FBI.
Divemedic · August 11, 2023 at 3:18 pm
I don’t know. My guess, and this is purely a guess, was that this was due to one of two things:
1 a manpower issue
2 they had contact with him before, because of his threats to other politicians.
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