Before we get started, I don’t need anyone quoting the law to me. I know that in most places, we are not permitted to use force to protect property. I don’t care what the law is, because I am fully aware of that. This post is about what the law SHOULD be. Take a look at a couple of videos:
Now consider that we are being told that “insurance will take care of” reimbursing you for theft and vandalism of property. Never mind that the more insurance claims there are, the higher the costs of insurance. People who would destroy and steal your property for whatever reason are confident in the belief that they will get away with it, and in many cases, they are correct. The police and courts, our own law enforcement, are failing in their duties by doing absolutely nothing to prevent this, and in some cases are actively supporting it.
I trade pieces of my life in exchange for value, which I then used to acquire my property. If you destroy or take my property, you are in actuality engaged in stealing away finite pieces of my life. Pieces that I will never be able to recoup.
Either the government needs to step up, or the people will begin to say “enough” and will begin doing it themselves.
22 Comments
Bad Dancer · July 19, 2023 at 12:59 pm
I have never heard of or thought of your point about pieces of your life but I love it and I suspect that frame of mindset may convert some people I know who keep saying the “its just stuff” nonsense.
At this point I’d be fine with stores offering a gift card in exchange for kneecapping or pot shotting a shoplifter let alone a crew.
Boneman · July 19, 2023 at 1:18 pm
This kind of crap pisses me off bigtime. I really don’t care what the laws are, I find you defacing, destroying or attempting to abscond with my property I will employ whatever measures are necessary to prevent you from doing so and to ensure you pay the price for your actions. If that means forcibly detaining you until L.E. arrives, so be it. And… in the case of assault I absolutely WILL defend myself with whatever means are necessary.
The thing is, if someone is just going to blithely ignore the laws of a “Polite Society” and DO these things, I dare say that we can blithely ignore the laws that say we cannot stop them. Politeness be damned. That you’re prohibited from so doing in the first place is Patently absurd.
Jonesy · July 19, 2023 at 2:31 pm
I agree…The problem is we don’t have the luxury of ignoring or failing to follow the law. The left gets deferential treatment; we don’t. At best, with a neutral DA, we could expect fair treatment. Now, we’re targets if we try to act.
Long March · July 19, 2023 at 1:28 pm
Property is theft to the comrades and any undocumented reparations are OK to them.
Every state is different and be most thankful if you live in a castle doctrine/stand your ground state.
In Red State you can air out any unexpected guests at any hour and there was a case a few years back where an 80 year old let loose with a shotgun and made good commies with no charges filed by local prosecutors.
Soros hasn’t infiltrated…yet.
Tree Mike · July 19, 2023 at 1:48 pm
When the rule of law fails (goes away), then most crime becomes a capitol offense. Fortunately, here in middle, rural Tennessee, we still have old fashion law enforcement
Gryphon · July 19, 2023 at 2:42 pm
This is Intentional – the breakdown of “Rule of Law” for the “Rules-Based Order” where the LAW is whatever the Fkk some unelected bureaucrat SAYS it is. (((they))) make the Rules, and Order everyone to follow them. The lack of Punishment for criminals, and the total Persecution of anyone who tries to Defend themselves is a Feature, not a Bug, of ‘Frankfurt School’ judeo-communism. Unfortunately for the commies, once the System (that is kept Functional by the labor of Honest people) breaks down, Criminals will suffer the appropriate Punishment at the hands of their Victims.
neomunitor · July 19, 2023 at 3:00 pm
I’ve been saying that for years: You spend a portion of your finite life to purchase insurance against criminals damaging or stealing your property because you aren’t allowed to take the low cost option of protecting it with force. It is state mandated theft from you, and can actually never make you whole because what insurance ever does? Enlightened societies don’t value life over property, blah blah blah, but they will drain life from all of us in dribs and drabs until the equivalent of thousands of lives have been spent on insurance against a few miscreants that could be destroyed or dissuaded for a few bucks worth of ammo.
June J · July 19, 2023 at 4:26 pm
The people who have the “insurance will pay no big deal” mindset are of the same mindset who doesn’t see any problem with the government spending money on all kinds of stupid things. They are too dense to realize everyone pays for insurance claims via their premiums and every taxpayer is paying for all the government spending.
Don W Curton · July 20, 2023 at 7:42 am
Also, those who think “insurance will pay no big deal” have obviously never had to file a fucking claim!
Had my truck damaged in an accident. At first they offered some pittance to get it fixed, then decided it should be totaled (even though still drivable), then offered pennies on the dollar for what it was really worth. Had I accepted, they would have hauled off my truck and given me a check that wouldn’t even be a down payment on a similar used model. So no, insurance never “makes you whole”.
It's just Boris · July 19, 2023 at 5:09 pm
And recall, one of the functions of police is to protect the accused from the citizenry….
Don Shift · July 19, 2023 at 5:17 pm
“I trade pieces of my life in exchange for value.” I agree with this. Force should be allowed to deter people, remove them, or even being allowed to outright kill them. Frankly, I think the penalty if they can’t repay you, then they should be indentured servants or slaves until the amount is recovered.
Aesop · July 19, 2023 at 6:55 pm
“not permitted to use force to protect property”
Come again? What planet would that be on?
Now, you’re not allowed to use deadly force for just property, so no headshots from the front porch for a bicycle thief.
But you’re always entitled to make a citizen’s arrest.
Using all force necessary to apprehend and subdue the perpetrator(s) thusly arrested.
They resist that arrest, to any degree?
Batons, pepper spray, and anything non-lethal/less-than-lethal is now on the menu.
This includes baseball bats to the knees.
They pull a knife or other weapon?
BLAM!
Deadly Force Achievement: Unlocked.
Property (house, car) contains people you hold near and dear to you, esp. children?
“Property” crime risks their grave bodily injury or death?
Like throwing rocks at moving vehicles and/or their drivers, or throwing molotovs towards occupied dwellings, etc., for but two examples?
“You may fire when ready, Gridley.”
All of which may be filed under Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The only legal pity is that surviving miscreants are not lawfully horsewhipped in the town square until bones show.
Then learning might occur.
When last I looked, the kid who got caned in Singapore has not tagged any additional buildings there nor stolen any more Singaporean property, ever since.
There’s a lesson in that.
It’s also the reason Americans don’t riot much in foreign countries, once they find out there’s no Bill of Rights, and that the police elsewhere are empowered and liberally apply rubber truncheons to perpetrators, both before and after arrest, including during questioning.
Everyone wants to be gangster, until they learn what the reward for that is.
Divemedic · July 19, 2023 at 10:31 pm
Throwing deadly missiles at occupied vehicles and homes is not a property crime.
Citizens arrest? Try that, and tell me how it works out for you. Especially where you live.
Aesop · July 20, 2023 at 11:04 am
I racked up something north of 20 CAs in suburban Los Angeles, all prosecuted fully, only had to go to court twice, and never had to testify.
All convictions. (Mind you, this was when they didn’t just cite-and-release anything less than aggravated rape of minor children). I had the Sr. Lead Offcr.’s (for my area) official cell on speed dial, at his request.
When some of the LAPD’s genius-IQ Diversity Hire minions, tired of having to get out of the car every night, decided to walk up to my door one time afterwards, in front of 20 handcuffed gang members, to confirm details, I was time to move out of that suburban paradise.
Where I live now, I haven’t had to go that route save once. The local PD showed up, and did an ad hoc “you’ve got five minutes to pack up your shit and get out of our city forever” Moving Day on a homeless encampment of some twenty assholes, all on their own idea. Haven’t had any problems hereabouts since then.
If I start having to do it again, it’ll be time to move to a far more rural locale, where Morbark and Bobcat Rules apply.
I note in passing that no one’s CSI can get ballistic evidence from buckshot, birdshot, nor rock salt, something simple farmers have known for literally eons.
Funny, that.
In the videos you referenced, it’s mainly a security fail.
Corporations and billionaires will have to start employing goon squads (the brighter ones already do so), and citizen’s arrests in those cases will look like the after-pictures from rugby scrums and soccer stampedes. When Little Ickel’s shoulder requires five to ten orthopedic surgeries and a small bucket of screws and plates to function to something approaching 70% of normal movement after being left zip-tied for the local cops, and they require a set of full dentures to replace teeth unfortunately embedded in concrete pavement, spraying paint on multi-million-dollar businesses and yachts won’t be nearly as much fun anymore.
Cameramen with the same problem, plus all their equipment smashed and rectally inserted, along with their similar treatment of their limbs, for being accomplices, is even funnier.
“Unfortunately, sir, the accomplice seems to have fallen on his camera hard enough to insert the lens a foot up his ass. We called EMS once he was cuffed, even before we called you. I have a dozen witnesses from inside the building.”
Yes, it’s unfortunate it’s come to that, but some lessons have to be taught to and re-learned by an ignorant generation.
But they will be.
Divemedic · July 20, 2023 at 11:11 am
Calling the cops on a homeless camp isn’t a “citizen’s arrest”
Joe Blow · July 21, 2023 at 6:06 am
Its nurse ratchet, you might as well argue with a houseplant. He rides around on his magical unicorn affecting citizens arrests on MS13 members in his neighborhood. Did you catch that? It wasn’t until the cops showed those kids his house that he stopped playing barney fife (purely accidental )
Aesop · July 21, 2023 at 11:23 am
The MS-13 members apprehended were coming in at the border. (The face and neck tats are a tell.) They all left in CBP dog-catcher vans.
The neighborhood gang hooligans had decided to begin stopping all vehicle traffic on not-their-street, and pulling neighbors’ teenaged kids out of cars at 11PM, on the theory that they were entitled to investigate thefts from the teeming Section 8 apartment sprawl next door on their own authority, with pipes and bats, against the gainfully employed citizens and their offspring living in houses two lots over.
When I reported the ongoing situation to LAPD, three squad cars showed up, the impromptu roadblock and terrorist interview site was disbanded, and they had a conga line of the local shitheads responsible cuffed and sitting on the curb. I specifically and explicitly told their dispatch I’d be happy to talk to their detectives on the phone, or come in and do an interview and ID of the guilty parties afterwards whenever they deemed it convenient, but not to come door-knock the apartment where my wife and I lived, in the moment for any reason.
And when the police haven’t personally witnessed the crimes involved, without a witness, there’s no PC for an arrest. So when you’re not a total assclown, you don’t poison the case and make an enemy of the people helping you do your job. Unless you’re a moron, a total jackhole, or both.
Which, despite not having shown any problem with on numerous occasions before, but now with 20 gangbanger dickheads sitting five feet away, was exactly what Officers Fucktard and Shitforbrains did.
When the police in charge of enforcing law and keeping the peace have 80 point IQs, and are working harder for the gangbangers rather than the citizenry, it’s time to relocate.
A million incidents like this is why L.A. is now what it is. But the LAPD is so much more diverse now that they mandatorily hire the midwits and Diversity Beans, rather than the most qualified candidates.
Now, knowing that, don’t you feel stupider for speaking in total ignorance about things of which you know absolutely nothing? Or are you just a seagull in yet another discussion?
Aesop · July 21, 2023 at 11:00 am
I didn’t have to make a CA in that case. It was calling the cops on the homeless camp occupiers who had broken into the neighbor’s place and scared hell out of his twelve year old daughter sitting in the front room in the process. He didn’t want to press charges, but the local constabulary decided nevertheless that it was time for the problem to be moved outside city limits. That’s “community policing”.
There hasn’t been a car or house break-in hereabouts in deacdes, so no need to perform a citizen’s arrest for anything.
If things here get anywhere close to as bad as L.A. was, where that and worse had become a daily occurrence even in the whitebread ‘burbs, it will be time to decamp to rural areas east of I-5, where ROL still applies.
As you know, our occupation is eminently transportable at a whim.
Tom762 · July 22, 2023 at 11:51 pm
Although “citizens arrest” is legally a thing, so is “kidnapping”. The “prosecutor” has a say in all of that, just so everyone knows. Word to the wise
Han Shot First, He Was No Fool · July 19, 2023 at 9:55 pm
The function of police is to protect the state, to protect capital, and to allow capital to function.
Prior to the existence of police, the wealthy did this for themselves.
But The Modern State doesn’t like it when they don’t have a monopoly on violence, and so the police came into existence in order to protect the state from the occasional coup d’etat put into effect by one of the wealthy deciding that the state was no longer legitimate.
And so you have to deal with dysfunctional police that protect The Modern State as well as Big Banksters while letting everything else slide because that doesn’t pay the bills.
Get a mailbox service with flexible access hours for picking up packages.
All of the post and courier services in the US are at least slightly broken, but with someone signing in your package and keeping track of it, you’d have better odds of avoiding this mess.
BTW, Amazon does this 48 hours bullshit because USPS deliverbots have a tendency of marking it down as delivered when they should have marked it down as zero.
Also, not a fan of the Labour Theory of Value here (for what should be obvious reasons), but the idea that I can get my load jacked by The Empire and I just have to eat it?
Not having it, I worked hard at smuggling all of that Alderaan nose candy and I expect to be paid well for it! 🙂
Daniel K Day · July 20, 2023 at 6:58 am
“If you destroy or take my property, you are in actuality engaged in stealing away finite pieces of my life. Pieces that I will never be able to recoup.”
Exactly on point. This is why I believe the worst parasites, for example Bernard Madoff, who steal years’ of people’s earnings, should receive the death penalty.
Rick T · July 20, 2023 at 4:55 pm
Bernie Madoff stole from fellow thieves, nobody who put money in his scam didn’t know the returns he delivered were legitimate. Anybody who recommended their ‘friends’ to invest was making sure they would get paid at their friend’s expense. He was scum, but the people who gave him money weren’t much better.
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