The Civil War you imagine and fantasize about isn’t going to happen the way you think. There won’t be “front lines”, there probably won’t even be an insurgency, not in the beginning, anyway.

What you’re going to see is “The Troubles” on meth and steroids (And if you’re too young or too stupid to know what those were, fire up the Googlemachine.)

It’s going to be a lot of assassinations, kidnappings, and disappearances. Retributions and retributions for retributions. It’s going to be bombings and quick drive by skirmishes. The military will have next to no role in it other than on the ground checkpoint monitors and hardening their own instillations.

Your F-15 pilot won’t fly missions after the last time his squad mate did, and landed to find his family laying in the street.

It’s not going to be the far right vs the government alone. It’s going to be the militant left against the militant right, and the government. Battles are going to be fought everywhere and nowhere.

A friend of mine thinks it’ll be more like “The Purge” petty feuds with the HOA or neighbors finally take vengeance for some perceived wrong.

And I’m here to tell you, it’s going to be both. But I assure you, the military is going to be completely impotent in the whole affair. And you will be living in constant fear.

This is what you keep pushing for and taunting people towards, you’re just too fucking stupid to know it.

Categories: The Collapse


John in Indy · June 5, 2024 at 9:12 am

A good book about this scenario is by Selco Begovic, Dark Secrets of SHTF Survival, about his experiences during the fall of Yugoslavia and in Bosnia.
I bought this book, and recommend it.

Greg · June 5, 2024 at 9:38 am

The only thing I’d add to that description of collapse is to remember that Big Gummint doesn’t disappear. What’s left of it becomes very, very nasty. The Post Office and IRS and all those other agencies have been stockpiling weapons and ammo for a reason.

    D · June 5, 2024 at 10:29 pm

    I don’t recall which book I was reading–it might have been “Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself–While the Rest of Us Die” that mentioned that the primary job of the USPS after a national disaster is to find out how many of us are left and to ensure mail delivery so the government can collect taxes to continue existing.

Bill · June 5, 2024 at 11:46 am

I agree with this assessment of what will happen if they continue on this path of lawlessness. Hundreds and hundreds of long-range professional snipers working alone will strike fear and terror into the hearts of our leaders and the Federal LEO bureaucrats who destroyed an once great God-fearing nation. they will never see the bullets coming their way from long range. There will be no need to be in front of any of these slugs in the government, they will be taken out like a mafia hit man would do. and the sniper will vanish into the night never to be seen or heard from again, he did his job admirably. These types of separate attacks will strike fear into all the corrupted federal agencies.

oldvet50 · June 5, 2024 at 1:00 pm

I think you’ve accurately described our future provided Putin doesn’t retaliate first as he’s promised for the obvious reasons we gave him to do so. I believe it’s the origin of the phrase “Don’t poke the bear”, but FJB and his cohorts don’t really care about our survival, only theirs.

Xzebek · June 5, 2024 at 1:10 pm

I have relatives in Ireland who lived through the Troubles. It was not a good time. I was in Ireland shortly after Mountbatten was killed on his boat and the hate and anger was palpable all around. Even as an American I was restricted from travelling to certain areas that were locked down. I didn’t experience any direct hostility myself but being of IRA age and looks I had British soldier eyes on me constantly. And that was in a small section of a small island. It will be orders of magnitude worse here.

    Aesop · June 5, 2024 at 11:15 pm

    Not like you think.

    They have neither the police forces nor the troops for that kind of presence, anywhere outside D.C.

    They’ll be spending more than half their law enforcement forces just locking down the city halls, courthouses, and jails. The military will secure their own bases first and foremost, and not much else, if they want to keep them. The days of 8 guys securing all the gates to the base, with maybe a squad as a QRF will be a quaint memory.
    They’ll either have an armored company team on standby at every gate, or something as simple as a couple of carloads of Crips – let alone mexican cartels – would, and will, eat their lunch.

    Most po-po now have zero mil experience, and about as much tactical sense as a 9-year-old in his first paintball game, because they’ve been trained and spent their entire working careers in an environment where at least a bare majority of citizens back them, they have local superiority, and few, if anyone, is shooting back.

    When things get sporky, they will simply be the 7th Cavalry at Little Big Horn. The slow learners will be dead heroes.

    They’ve spent 50 years slowly pissing on, pissing off, and generally alienating the entire public at large and treating them as enemies, and if you think they won’t be at the top of the list for payback from all parties concerned, I have a bridge for sale, if you pay in cash in small bills.

    A few hundred or even a few thousand Team Blue players will be dwarfed when they’re facing Team BFYTW and any 30 other groups, all looking to get a piece of them, 24/7/365.

    I predict policing as such drops to zero in most of the cities by about the second month.

    Then the factions start filling in and picking up the slack, and any crime becomes a capital offense, and jury selection will be determined by the first guy on the scene with a weapon. Trials will take place at between 900 and 3200 fps, generally at curbside, in less time than it takes Domino’s to deliver a pizza.

    Interesting times.

Elrod · June 5, 2024 at 1:51 pm

Everyone has “a list,” from the 80-year-old up the block right down to the teenage pizza delivery guy and when things pop they’re going to be working their list to get some payback.

Every neighborhood will become Sarajevo 1992-95 and it won’t end until either people run out of others to inflict payback on or we just plain run out of people.

Selco has 2 books, both are very worthwhile reads, and no one who has read them would want to experience it. But our government will continue insisting that we do.

Dan D. · June 5, 2024 at 2:38 pm

I fully agree with you. Lots of Big Names(tm) like to address their Droogs in high sounding posts at High Velocity and such but to me it all sounds like that scene in Aliens where Ripley is trying to tell the space Maries that they have no f’in idea what awaits and they’re just yukkin’ it up. I expect the Names will, on first contact, splitsky with all their gear that was bought with the dollars of well meaning Patriots. Same with the Oath Keepers out here near Gunsite: all talk, no walk. If you’re going to brag about hitting swamp rats at 500yd with your .300 BLK rig but have a gut the size of a soccer ball hanging above your drop holster holding your .45 AARP weapon, you’re LARPing.

Irish Democracy · June 5, 2024 at 3:01 pm

The soft fruity managerial class will outsource to the replacements and since Barnes is reality, the knife in your back will come from a fellow comrade American.
Only the hard hearted will survive the final conclusion of Kalergi, Cloward-Piven and the Frankfurt School Long March to burn it all down.
Do the comrades still follow that burn it all down out of nihilism since they already conquered everything?

IcyReaper · June 5, 2024 at 3:38 pm

I agree somewhat. But he just focuses on the usual left and right and .GOV as a 3 way. He doesn’t mention the millions of Chinese military and Middle East jihadist that will join in to ferment more chaos. Then there are all the south american and african gangs that do violence on a level very few in this country can ever imagine.These fucker make Hannibal Lector look like a pacifist. Lookup good old gang leader BBQ down in Haiti for a little peek at cannibalism down there.

This shit show will have so many different things going on at once you will blow your mind trying to put it all together. Saw Selco on a podcast and even he admitted the projection of what a CW style conflict in the US would be like has changed due to the open border and 30 million new illegals with multiple agendas. Hi Alec, I would like to try Rwanda times 1000. FYI, Unless you have a pipeline to Lake City or a US Army Light Infantry Divisions WSA, you ain’t got enough personnel ,weapons and ammo for this.

    Some Guy · June 5, 2024 at 5:18 pm

    The next civil war started 50 years ago and we have already lost most of the battles. We will lose the war if the left is not stopped soon.

    Think about it –
    Education – Battle Lost
    Energy – Battle Lost
    Elections – Battle Lost
    News/Media – Battle Lost
    Covid – They really dicked us on that one

    Only a partial and quick list

    I doubt this war will be won on a battle field – Possibly will end with few if any shots fired.

    I am not giving up – But I fear too many are

    joe · June 5, 2024 at 5:41 pm

    yes, because once it kicks off, you won’t be able to order any ammo over the internet, they will close down the gun stores, and it won’t be a fun time at all…

      Aesop · June 5, 2024 at 10:59 pm


      Ain’t nobody gonna be “buying” ammo.
      They’re going to get it the same way the French resistance got grenades and machineguns: off the bodies of the guys they whacked.

      All that po-po militarization we’ve had since the 1970s?
      That’s your supply points.

      The cops are rapidly going to learn to travel in full fire teams and squads, or there aren’t going to be any of them after the first month.

      Either way, they’re going to be fewer and farther between.
      Which makes score-settling a target-rich environment.

      The military isn’t going to fare too much better, and they’ll be outnumbered by all sides about 99:1.

      Think Beirut, Sarajevo, and Chicongo, simultaneously.

        Michael · June 6, 2024 at 5:13 am

        Aesop, please.. French Resistance? Aside from Hollywood and WW2 Propaganda films the Germans when asked about the French Resistance said, “WHAT French Resistance”.

        Please give dates and links of their “successes” before Allied Troops were already marching through Paris. Most was shooting up “Collaborators” with the Germans, I.E. those that simply did business at the coffee shops and such.

        Odd how the shooters ended up owning the dead folks’ shops.

        Sort of like all the keyboard warriors bragging about long ranged snipers doing this and that. AH, Snipers need INTELLIGENCE of who, what, where and when the target is available. Otherwise, you’re a random shooter.

        IRA DIDN’T have nearly 24-07 Electronic Surveillance. HUMIT was all they had to deal with, and the British over reactions pissed off most Irish enough they did not say anything. WE have “SEE Something, SAY something and get a Reward”.

        It’s not hollywierd Aesop. It’s a far more than 3 way purge situation.

        Greg · June 6, 2024 at 10:48 am

        Aesop: That has always been my primary rationale in choice of caliber in both weapons and ammo.

Jonesy · June 5, 2024 at 4:49 pm

I agree it with the assessment in general, it will be asymmetrical. I think staying out of cities and heavily populated areas will be key, and it will generally be left vs right. Our military will be busy fending off commies who will see us as weak/distracted on the global stage. Maybe some State NG units will get some play. If the executive branch is helmed by a dem, all militarized ABC agencies will be brought to bear on the right, supporting groups like antifa as the front line antagonists. Family and neighbors won’t be trusted, and spying)ratting out fellow citizens will be rampant. I’d expect small business or any commerce really in most dem run cities to grind to a halt. Bombings, street skirmishes, disappearances, all will be common.

Let’s just hope it doesn’t last as long as The Troubles….30 years is too long for a country our size. I’d say we reach equilibrium in 5-10 years.

Some Guy · June 5, 2024 at 6:02 pm

Ruby Ridge

Democrats allowing males to stalk women in locker rooms, prisons anywhere claiming they are a female born with a penis – Congresswomen to a Supreme Court nominee “Can you define ‘woman’?”JACKSON: “I’m not a biologist. I’m a judge.”

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines “child in utero” as “a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.” Unless it is an abortion then it’s legal

Erasing history – Statues destroyed – Buildings and military bases renamed

It’s a long, long list of battles lost.

McChuck · June 6, 2024 at 4:13 am

What do you call it when one side holds a war and the other side doesn’t show up? Genocide.

We fight, or we perish. We may still lose, but we need to at least try.

Don W Curton · June 6, 2024 at 7:32 am

Read about the guerilla warfare in Kansas and Missouri right before the outbreak of the first civil war. Bleeding Kansas, Bloody Bill Anderson, Quantrill’s raiders, etc. It was just as nasty as anything you’d expect today, maybe even worse.

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