Take a look at this:
About 20 years or so ago, I was in a SCUBA club. Organized through the local dive shop(LDS), we would book weekend trips to go diving. We would drive to South Florida, do a couple of dives, spend the night, do a couple of dives, then drive home. It was tradition to do a bit of dinner and drinking at the end of the first day.
It was during one of those dinners that I met a young lady who was employed at an Orlando area gentleman’s club. Yes, it’s what you are thinking- she was a stripper. During dinner, she mentioned that there was no way that she would sleep with a man until he had taken her on at least two expensive dates. Her exact words were “I am not about to give him any until he has spent at least $200 on me.”
Well, women like that piss me off, so I said: “Do I actually have to spend time listening to you talk, or will you just take a check?” while pulling out my checkbook. (That’s a book with special pieces of paper in them that you can take to the bank and exchange for money, for those of you born after 1998 or so.)
With that comment, the table went silent. When we got back to the hotel, my buddy David said, “I can’t believe you called that chick a whore.”
My reply: “I didn’t. She did. Just because she was willing to accept goods instead of cash doesn’t change the fact that she is having sex in exchange for things of value.”
Too many women plan dates on how they can get free meals, free drinks, and live a lavish lifestyle on a man’s dime, all while screaming that they deserve to make as much as a man does. Dating sucks, because men are suckers for this kind of woman, who likely is looking for a man to spend a couple of hundred bucks treating her to dinner and an evening’s entertainment.
Women like this have reduced relationships to a straight up barter exchange. They have no personalities and are bartering their youth and good looks in exchange for things like meals, cars, and even a lifestyle of living in a man’s home for free. They forget that they are worth as much as they ever will be, and their value on the market declines as they get older. There is always going to be someone younger and prettier, and since they have no personality and can’t carry on a conversation about anything more engaging than the latest Kardashian episode, are impossible to talk to. They can’t or won’t cook, clean, or help contribute to the household in any way. That is known in finance circles as a depreciating asset.
Now contrast that with most men. They are only going to increase in earning potential and value as they get older and more experienced in their careers. Why would a man want to be saddled with an asset that is declining in value while they themselves are gaining in wealth?
This is why marriage is dying. Too many women are greedy gold diggers who are useless for anything beyond their youth and good looks and will turn on you as soon as what they perceive is a better deal comes along to give them more money and stuff than you do. This is why I am glad that my wife is not one of those women. They are a rare find.
28 Comments
Woody · July 13, 2023 at 8:30 am
Pre-Nuptials are the only way to save your assets during the divorce. Men need to realize that nowadays marriage w/o a pre-nup is signing a contract where the Gov’t (Judge) will decide who gets what of the assets and who will pay the other regardless of infidelity, child fraud.
Phil B · July 15, 2023 at 9:48 pm
A pre-nup isn’t worth the paper it is written on. The woman will claim she was coerced into it, regardless of her lawyer and yours agreeing the wording and no matter how long before the wedding it was signed. She can either claim that you verbally agreed that you would not hold her to it (if signed a year before the marriage) or that she was forced to sign because of the shame of cancelling the wedding if signed 6 months before hand.
There are numerous cases where this has happened.
It's just Boris · July 13, 2023 at 8:34 am
So … You never finished the story. Would she, in fact, take a check?
Don in Oregon · July 13, 2023 at 8:37 am
A guy’s at a party, he meets a beautiful woman, but she’s not interested. He tries again, no luck.
Finally in exasperation he asks, “Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?”
She thinks it over and says, Well, yes.
He says, how about two hundred dollars?
She says, What do you think I am!
He says, We’ve already established that, now we’re negotiating price.
Aesop · July 15, 2023 at 11:24 am
Oscar Wilde beat you to that punchline 150 years ago.
But the truth of it is timeless.
Steve · July 13, 2023 at 8:51 am
I’ve read this several times over the years. Women who go on dates for free food. I find that fundamentally dishonest, and would consider a whore a lot more honest. At least she is out & out saying it’s a business transaction, instead of a ‘date’.
Pete · July 13, 2023 at 9:24 am
Using “idk”, lol and the stupid emoji didn’t do him any favors either. Write like an adult not a middle school kid, and you’ll get better results.
Big Ruckus D · July 13, 2023 at 9:39 am
Your recounting of dressing down (heh) of that stripper hoe is one of the most simultaneously truthful and amusing anecdotes I’ve read in a while. An appropriately modernized adaptation of the famous quip variously ascribed to Winston Churchill, W.C. Fields, Groucho Marx and Mark Twain, amongst others.
That it garnered an incredulous reaction from your buddy is all too predictable and tiresome, assuming he was saying that in a critical manner. Of course, I’m lacking context, so have made that assumption. If the remark was delivered more out of admiration for your style of publicly busting a THOT, that would reflect far better on him. I find myself hoping it was the latter.
In any event, the rest of the post is spot on as well. People still occasionally (though not nearly so often as 10-15 years ago) ask me why I’ve remained single. I generally recount some summarized version of what you wrote here. Time and money are finite resources, and I got tired of wasting them both on ingrates with the depth of a puddle in a parking lot.
Besides which, a man can only tolerate so much bullshit before his patience is exhausted. It is entirely possible, despite the baseline biological and psychological drives for sex, to decide it simply isn’t worth the cost of obtaining access to it. Nor will I buy it outright, as some are apparently content to do.
Really, that cost goes far beyond mere money. Trying to relate to a woman in any meaningful way, when her sole areas of interest are the Kartrashians (or inane celebrity culture in general) Starbucks, shoes, hair and fake nails, becomes intolerable in less time than it would take for her to get you off. I hit a point some time back where I find their character and personalities so repellent, that I can’t even contemplate sex with these types. It’s a total turnoff, there is nothing seductive about an abject moron. And that covers a huge swath of modern American women.
I have no practical solution to the problem of the interaction of the sexes having become so dysfunctional, other than to busy myself doing things I value and enjoy; my work, my hobbies, being a good uncle to my nieces and nephews. My schedule is generally full, so I don’t spend much time dwelling on what I’m purportedly missing – according to some people – by remaining single and unattached. So I’ll die alone, big deal. I’ve dealt with other big letdowns in life and am still kicking.
Aesop · July 15, 2023 at 11:29 am
Once again, the tale is correctly ascribed to Oscar Wilde, and long before any of the latter day nominees you mentioned.
D · July 13, 2023 at 10:22 am
> They are only going to increase in earning potential and value as they get older and more experienced in their careers. Why would a man want to be saddled with an asset that is declining in value while they themselves are gaining in wealth?
Unfortunately it’s not just a depreciating asset. It’s a toxic asset that can for any reason at any time decide to take half your shit, take the kids, red flag you, and (at least not in Florida anymore) keep you paying through the nose until the day you die while shacking up with another man who will probably do a worse job of raising your kids than you.
I’ve had discussions with all my children. Do not “shack up” and do not get married.
If you want to be with a woman, have a lawyer draw up a pre-nup that acknowledges that the woman is getting free housing, food, clothing, transportation, protection, and the ability to not have a 9-5 job in exchange for cleaning the house she lives in and cooking meals she gets to eat. You are entitled to your income and get to decide how to spend it–just as she is entitled to whatever money she might earn and how to spend it.
At any time, you can decide to go your separate ways for whatever reason, and you get to keep the house, your income, etc…
Have provisions for what happens when she inevitably gets pregnant. i.e. Who will have primary custody of the children should you decide to split. Have provisions for things like cheating. If she cheats, she should not have custody of the children because she obviously makes very poor decisions.
Cederq · July 13, 2023 at 11:23 am
Bingo! I too have called out whores when presented with scenarios such as the one you describe. Another one, after the first or second date she informs you, “I just want to be friends…” Dropped like a hot potato. I tell them I have enough friends and was looking for long term and obviously you are not that. I had a gal at work at the hospital I was a nurse. She was insistent I take her out. I told her the first two dates the tab was on you. She balked at that, saying guys pay. NO… you want me to take you out, you pay. I have a reputation to maintain…
Beans · July 13, 2023 at 12:10 pm
Yup. It’s like listening to the girls at work (not women, girls, old and getting unattractive-looking girls) who first crow about how they never pay for drinks at the bars they go to, and then complain about never being able to find a nice guy who just wants to be a good guy and husband material.
Even funnier is listening to the now-unattractive-looking much older girls really bitch about how they now have to pay for their drinks and still can’t find a good man.
Whores. Shallow, childish whores.
Bad Boy Club 1986 · July 13, 2023 at 1:37 pm
Skanks gonna skank. She better pass GO and collect $200 while she can, looks don’t last forever.
The good doctor feelgood will keep her stocked with STD drugs.
Checks are a construct of the white male patriarchy and it is fun to write on them in cursive.
Sibling says they stopped teaching it because the founding documents are written in cursive in the hmm so hmm department.
Tree Mike · July 13, 2023 at 1:39 pm
I missed out on all those women. Maybe they hadn’t been invented yet. Met my second perfectly wonderful wife in ’76. I fucked up my 1st perfectly wonderful marriage, learned my lesson. We’ve been together ever since. Yup, I’m a lucky guy. I feel sorry for anybody looking for love in the current poisoned meat market.
Noway2 · July 13, 2023 at 2:19 pm
“This is why I am glad that my wife is not one of those women. They are a rare find.”
Congratulations. I completely agree with what you’re saying. We’ve been married almost 23 years and been together as a couple since high school which is about 35 years. Rare find, indeed.
anonymous coward · July 13, 2023 at 5:40 pm
> “Do I actually have to spend time listening to you talk, or will you just take a check?”
I guess she wasn’t looking for honesty in a relationship. =(
dc · July 13, 2023 at 6:38 pm
I think anyone pondering a long term relationship would be best served knowing the playing field and the opposite team(s) goals or wanted outcomes. They’re not all bad, but the bad ones really ruin it all for the hidden gems out there. BTDT.
joe · July 13, 2023 at 7:17 pm
got some free tickets to a dls stars game about 20 years ago…tickets got us in to the stars club after where some of the players go after to have a drink and i assume take home hot chicks…anyway, there was a super hot blonde so i asked how much i would have to make to date her…she looked at me and kind of chuckled and i responded with truth hurts doesn’t it…the gold diggers don’t know what they are missing…i used to piss off women like that just for kicks…
Jack · July 13, 2023 at 9:44 pm
When I was about to hit 40 I decided to settle down and find a wife. I succeeded, getting a beauty a dozen years younger, who has given me three awesome kids. The secret? Utter ruthlessness in selecting a partner. No cheaters (didn’t care what her ex did, if she did it to him she’ll do it to you) no sluts, no abortions, no tats or gold diggers. I looked for a work ethic, honesty and kindness. Everything else was negotiable. Went on a lot of coffee dates, no diner unless she passed the initial screening. Coffee not good enough? NEXT! Set a standard and enforce it.
Jester · July 13, 2023 at 9:45 pm
I mean there were always the harlot types out there but it seems there are a lot more. Married now but for a while I’d try the “dating” apps like Bumble, Tinder, etc. It was a pretty large wasteland. Sometimes there was amusement to be had but there is a lot of “I’m 100 pounds overweight and have 3 kids with different dads and hit every branch of the ugly entitled tree on the way down to the ground. Oh you better be over 6 feet tall, make 6 figures and have no kids of your own” mentality out there. And you hit it out of the park DM, these women have 0 to offer once their bodies are worn out. They all think they are going to hook up with someone well endowed with money or other attributes. And they just get pushed about till they wake up in their 40s or older worn out and used up with out a single penny or thought to offer anyone. then it’s down with the patriarchy!
Bluey · July 14, 2023 at 12:28 am
Right on target.
Then you add in the outright criminalization of normal behavior, (seriously, it’s illegal in my state to walk up to a woman and start a conversation without the ok first. Not the USA, different country), and I can see exactly why men don’t bother any more.
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot, where I live uses affirmative consent doctrine. No touching, kissing, etc. without explicit verbal consent.
That can be withdrawn at any time.
Without telling you.
Putting you in the firing line for sexual assault charges.
*facepalm*
iForget · July 14, 2023 at 8:09 am
Bullet DODGED ! Morning coffee before lunch & after breakfast is a handy first date pre-screening tool.
TexBob · July 14, 2023 at 10:54 pm
I consider myself lucky. Still married to my first wife, 38 years next month. She raised two kids while I worked 3 jobs. They turned out awesome (normal). I bring home the bacon and she takes care of the homestead and all the animals (horses, dogs, chickens) and she’s happy and I’m happy. She can shoot too as well as change out the water pump on a Whirlpool washing machine. We’re happy and pity the shallow, materialistic hook up generations.
Anon · July 14, 2023 at 11:09 pm
When I was 27, I had a 24 year old bitch ASK ME Out. After three weeks of dating a few nights per week, she still wouldn’t put out. She was already sleeping at my place several nights per week in baggy sweatpants and t-shirt. My apartment was very nice and her place was a dump with no heat. I was cooking for her and doing her laundry as well.
Finally, her roommate (who secretly hated her guts), told me that even though she started fucking guys when she was 12, and had a N Count of over 25 at this point, confessed that she saw me as “marriage material” because I actually had a good job and my “shit together”. My girlfriend told her that she was going to make me wait at least 6 months, or an engagement ring, before having sex with me. She also lied to me and said that she had only been with one guy (her high school sweetheart of three years). Complete horseshit (her best friend confirmed it while on a double date). Isn’t it amazing how women will sell each other out on a dime??
Shortly after that, I conned her into packing up all of her shit so we could spend a couple days at “her place”. I promised to do some plumbing and electrical work for her. The second I had all of her shit inside, I confronted her and promptly dumped her sorry ass. I told her that she was too selfish and immature to ever expect to have a decent boyfriend, much less husband.
She started bawling her eyes out right as her roommate and fiance came through the door. I decided that discretion was the better part of valor at this point. As I was walking out the door, she begged me to still be friends with her. I literally laughed my ass off as I slammed the door on her and walked down the stars.
Her roommate called me up later that night and congratulated me on having the balls to do the right thing. Two weeks later, I get a phone call at 3AM. This stupid bitch (who had chronic Crohns and all kind of psych issues) had the nerve to tell me that she was really sick and wanted me to come over and take care of her. I was a little drunk and told her to call one of the 25 guys that she had fucked, instead of me, and get them to help her. I then laughed as I hung up the phone. Looked her up on Facebook 10 years later. Ugly; enormously obese woman never married; no job; and no kids. I laughed my ass off again as I am now a successful small business owner. Fuck these whores!
Mike Hendrix · July 14, 2023 at 11:29 pm
If you haven’t seen it already, DM, I get the feeling you might enjoy this ancient post of mine: https://coldfury.com/greatest-hits/tough-chicks/
Aesop · July 15, 2023 at 11:38 am
The only problem is that two entire generations of women haven’t figured out the problem with “hitting the wall”, and don’t realize their prime years are a disappearing asset in time to avoid the iceberg.
The third generation doesn’t seem to have clued into things either, as both the birth rate and the marriage rate* drop like an OceanGate sub on the way to the Titanic.
*(Even as statisticians try to convince people that one woman getting married seven times counts the same for society as seven women who get married one time each. Natzsofast, Guido.)
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