A short platoon of armed cops are raiding a house while armed with grenades and suppressed machine guns. The way that they bunch up and ignore their rear tells you that they either don’t know how to advance to contact, or they don’t really think that the people inside are a threat.
They’d already been to this house multiple times looking for the person of interest and knew he no longer lived there, yet they tossed a grenade inside, injuring an infant.
They’re larping. Unfortunately when these jackboots larp, it has real world consequences. Ones they don’t have to pay for because they have qualified immunity.
Now ask yourself- if these guys were engaged in an ambush being carried out by an armed, well motivated and trained opposing force, how many casualties would they take?
33 Comments
Joe Blow · January 15, 2024 at 5:36 am
This is a particularly egregious example of poor police work. Unfortunately ‘the system’ won’t be policing itself, nor self-correct.
While political solutions may be possible, some communities have had successful police/citizen boards, the fact is it is a mentality issue, not just a few bad eggs in a specific city or department.
Much like the communists indoctrinating our youths in college, the military and police academies are training these people to be enforcers for the regime, not law officers who serve and protect the citizenry. They are trained, coached, and indoctrinated to ‘just follow oresers’ and they know QI will prptect them in court, professionally and personally.
It pains me to apply it here, but again, rule 308 is the only way to justice at this point. People have to wrap your fucking head around that! There is no peaceful political solution here! Even if your town/county are safe, the state and feds will come for you.
Bear Claw · January 15, 2024 at 4:04 pm
The lawsuit will be paid via the tax paying citizens once they settle. No one investigates city finances to see how much continual payout for all lawsuits that exist on their books.
Don't mind me. · January 16, 2024 at 11:58 am
Yes, and combined with Qualified Immunity, none of these morons will feel the pain of victim payouts. They’ll get a slap on the wrist and maybe even promoted off the street.
ralphie · January 15, 2024 at 8:15 am
I guess my 40 round mag isn’t big enough.
Big Country Expat · January 15, 2024 at 1:12 pm
Gun Mag Warehouse has the twin Beta-C 100 round mags for just such an occasion…
Jes’ Sayin’
Don W Curton · January 15, 2024 at 8:51 am
“They’d already been to this house multiple times looking for the person of interest and knew he no longer lived there”
About 8 years ago, I sold my used vehicle in a private person-to-person sale. I filled out the proper state paperwork to proclaim that I no longer own the vehicle, I included the name of the purchaser, the sale price, and other relevant info, then filed it with the proper state agency. The new owner, however, never followed thru on registering the vehicle or transferring title. It was apparently sold, traded, or stolen a few more times. Then potentially used in a crime and abandoned.
For years I’d get calls and letters (snail mail) about the vehicle from various sheriff departments as well as the salvage yard where it was towed. No matter who I talked to, no one would update the record and one deputy patiently explained that because the purchaser never transferred the title, I would forever be the last registered owner on record. I thought the purpose of my filling out the documents was to prevent that, but apparently that’s a line of BS. The sheriff I could handle, but the salvage yard kept claiming I owed them money. Eventually they gave up.
So anyway, like a dog returning to its vomit, the po-po will continue to use outdated and incorrect info because that’s all they have and they’re trained that way. Which is why we should eliminate all SWAT units, period. The po-po has no business conducting raids like that. Uvalde taught us that 99% of cops are pussies anyway, so take away all the special toys and issue .38 revolvers with 1 bullet each. Fucking Barney Fife them.
mike · January 15, 2024 at 9:29 am
The Black and Tans used to enforce the “law” in a similar manner in the 1920-21 Anglo-Irish War. They ended killing mostly innocent or helpless people and as a consequence became a force multiplier for the IRA instead of the Crown. Despite vast experience in WW1 combat within their ranks, they displayed consistent cowardice in the face of any armed opposition. Simply put, they were just paid thugs with a license to kill. The IRA ROE with respect to these “Police Cadets” as the British preferred to call them, was a take no prisoners policy. They were even more indiscriminate when defending themselves, if that is even possible. Ultimately they became such a liability to the British that they were withdrawn from service.
BadFrog · January 15, 2024 at 3:34 pm
Mike, you’ve been listening to fairy tales from the old terrorist lovers and the ‘Irish-Americans’ who have never been to Ireland. Anyone from there knows IRA stands for I Run Away.
mike · January 15, 2024 at 6:22 pm
Nope, I read Tom Barry’s book. If he made it all up then you should be able to explain to me how it is that Britain crushed every Irish rebellion against crown rule including 1798, 1805, and 1867, yet negotiated away home rule to Michael Collins and the Irish Free State in 1922 after Barry trounced the British Army at Crossbarry in West Cork and Collins shredded the British G-2 in Dublin. If none of that had taken place, there would never have been in independent Irish republic, it is a self evident truth. It is also true that the IRA victory in 1921 was very slight one in military terms, and that many areas of Ireland had “inactive” IRA units in 1919-1921 that did not live up to the West Cork example. This however in no way diminishes what Barry and many other accomplished with very little. The record of the Black and Tans is well documented as well, and they were killed to the man by Tom Barry’s troops at the brilliant Kilmichael ambush. I don’t know what your motivations are here, maybe you have some Irish plantation lineage and this history is unpleasant for you. Whatever the reason, you do yourself no credit by claiming that that IRA did not win the 1921 Anglo Irish War. Carry on as you see fit.
Big Ruckus D · January 15, 2024 at 9:55 am
How many casualties? Hopefully all of them. Because that’s what needs to happen enough times to force these assholes to reconsider the policies and procedures that brought them to do an op like this in the first place. And since the world is full of too many assholes anyway, any number of them getting smoked while committing a tactical faux pas – like that documented in the video – can only be an improvement to the general welfare. I don’t see any other means of getting the lesson to take with these goons.
C · January 15, 2024 at 10:39 am
A belt fed option would be better.
Tar · January 15, 2024 at 10:53 am
It’s clear these guys aren’t very used to the concept of the shooting range going two-way… To answer DM’s last question in this article? I count 21 in this… blob… (not going to call it a “stack”). Assuming they were engaged in a prepared ambush by an armed, well-motivated and trained opposing force that takes the initiative? Shee-it…
Standard urban combat math, defending force vs. attacking force, is 5/1 in favor of the defenders… and Napoleon said “in war the moral is to the physical as three is to one”. Under the first equation, a fire team of four defenders with equivalent weapons would be an even matchup: figure in a skirmish, the defenders might take two casualties while the attackers take ten (or a dozen, the way they’re mobbing up) before breaking and retreating and screaming for backup.
Of course this is just based on what’s shown and the assumption of a prepared, trained, and armed force opposing the raid. There are several combat multipliers either side could bring to the fight that would tend to weight the odds in their favor. Still, I doubt there’s much the attackers could do to take zero casualties on their side in such a fight, especially if the defenders are do-or-die determined.
Pete · January 15, 2024 at 10:55 am
I count 20-21 guys. Who the hell is this “person of interest” supposed to be? Pablo Escobar? Batman? The Punisher? This is how they will react when your neighbors call the Fed hotline to report that you have guns. (after guns are outlawed)
Big Country Expat · January 15, 2024 at 1:16 pm
That’s the stoner-bitch of it… the -wanted perp- is a 14 year old blaq kid… now unless he’s got some serious felonies they’re looking to nail him on, hell… the guys in 2/8CAV in Baghdad (my boys) would use a 7 man squad to hit hardened AIQ bad guys hideouts…that was it… of course they did have a Bradley parked out front with the 25mmm sooo there is that
C · January 15, 2024 at 11:09 pm
Apparently the ARF cops are saying it was a search warrant for burgled firearms.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Elyria-Police-release-statement-after-using-flash-bangs-outside-home-with-sick-toddler-inside/5-2700058/?page=1
The mental gymnastics used to justify this are astounding. Definitely gold medal.
It’s mentioned in the thread that the suspect lived down the street and watched the raid on the wrong place going down.
Dirty Dingus McGee · January 15, 2024 at 11:10 am
“they don’t really think that the people inside are a threat.”
They already knew from past raids that the current residents were not a serious threat. Or even a non serious threat. They were just an average citizen that probably was “pro cop” at one point. When they think there is even a chance of more threat than a mom with a baby, thats when the full SWAT team with the armored vehicle shows up. At 4 am.
Andrew · January 15, 2024 at 11:20 am
My last place was a rental duplex.
I’d get mail for former tenants, which for a little while I kept in case they came back and asked, but after a while I started tossing it all in the trash.
After a while I started getting “notice” and “final notice” for things, I assumed were bill collectors.
One day, I had a knock on the door.
At the time, my son was a toddler and “taking a nap” so after a peek through the peephole, I opened the door.
Guy with a clipboard.
“I’m looking for (redacted).”
“I’m not them, and I’ve lived here for over a year. I don’t know who that is.”
“Okay, I’m from a collection agency, this is their last known address. I’ll make a note of this, sorry to inconvenience you.”
Also, TickerGuy had an idea to get rid of “SWAT-ting”, however getting rid of it in totality might not be a bad idea.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=250390
Elrod · January 15, 2024 at 11:25 am
“…how many casualties would they take?”
All of them. That’s a 3-Gun stage on the hoof.
Max Wiley · January 15, 2024 at 1:37 pm
I keep telling people, they have no concept of what fast really is.
Keanu Reeves as John Wick is high B class or maybe a low A. A High Master shooting the same stage will have a similar score in roughly half of the time, maybe less. There will never be an action movie that displays this level of skill because no movie star will ever be trained to that level, and even if they were, or the action director found a way to fake it, the audience wouldn’t believe it.
Even people that say “it is fortunate they didn’t run into a highly trained shooter” mostly don’t understand.
Elrod · January 15, 2024 at 3:07 pm
“….even if they were, or the action director found a way to fake it, the audience wouldn’t believe it.”
Would never happen in movies because it would be too fast for the audience to follow; high B shooter (like Wick) they can follow the action. HM or GM, it would be like that old joke “want to see it again?”
Anonymous · January 15, 2024 at 11:28 am
If the site they were responding to was as dangerous as they wanted you to believe – they would have lost most if not all of those officers. A really dangerous “bad guy” would have a flanking plan, a warning system and likely buddies when it all goes down. There was zero tactical thought to the approach and actions by the cops – they were dressed up nice but didn’t have a clue on how to do it.
Aesop · January 15, 2024 at 12:09 pm
Asked and answered.
The last time that happened, circa 1993, ATF buried 4 agents and had another 20 all shot up, racked up by middle-aged cult members in Waco with about 5 minutes of training, lifetime.
Boo frickin’ hoo.
One day the piggies are going to try that against as few as 2 or 3 trained guys, let alone anything like 5 or 10, and get served up as pork ribs afterwards, killed to the last man.
Hips and headshots, kids. Hips and headshots.
Divemedic · January 15, 2024 at 2:50 pm
Or you could go with a larger caliber, which body armor isn’t rated to stop.
Joe Blow · January 16, 2024 at 5:26 am
357 will crack that porcelain, pick your ass up, and move it 3 feet back.
44 mag is a good choice as well.
SoCoRuss · January 15, 2024 at 12:49 pm
I think I heard the guy was a 14year old. Must be a BADDD man for this crowd. But these guys show no fear as they peaceful group protest walk up to the house, thats what a govt does when it has unarmed citizens.
If I was back in the day and these morons were under my command, that Plt LT and Sgt would have been torn new assholes.
But to me this looks like a duplex with that fence? The main group stages past the fence which would suggest a different unit but the single idiot walks up on this side of fence and calmly throws FB in window? Why was window open in winter or did they bust it out before. vid.
Jen · January 15, 2024 at 2:42 pm
Not just any baby! A preemie with a trach and a vent! He could’ve *died* while these goons dragged his mom away in cuffs. And they don’t care.
Jack · January 15, 2024 at 4:06 pm
A yelled warning followed, 5 (yes five) seconds later with a flash-bang? Who the hell trained these people? If the family doesn’t have lawyer I sure hope she finds one. There’s 20 ‘thin blue line’ who deserve to lose a lot of money and certification.
Big Ruckus D · January 15, 2024 at 5:35 pm
That’d be nice, but how exactly does one pierce the shield of qualified immunity? Maybe some slick – and very expensive – lawyer could swing it. But it seems to me the only way to exact true justice on pricks like this is to see to it they end up “non-breathing” in straight up retribution.
Taking their money and putting them in prison doesn’t look to be an available option, even if a legal judgement found them to be in the wrong. And so the taxpayers (including the victims) take the soaking once again, courtesy of the political subdivision that employs the trigger happy goons.
Joe Blow · January 16, 2024 at 5:31 am
110% true.
Medical professionals such as our host have protection when following hospital protocol, but will get nipped if gross negligence can be proven in a court of law (correct me if wrong, please!).
The problem is these turd-blossoms follow close enough to not get the ‘gross negligence’ award.
They ARE the system, the system works FOR them, the system PROTECTS them. There will be no justice within this system.
Change the system, or find your own justice with rule 308.
We are at that binary.
Aesop · January 16, 2024 at 7:20 pm
My money’s on Rule 308.
Dulce et decorum est.
Gryphon · January 16, 2024 at 3:52 pm
I’ve seen a number of articles over the past five Years or so where the writer “Did some Math” WRT how many Casualties in this type of Raid would render the particular ‘Agency’ unable to continue the “Gun Raids”. Even a Big City, or large (blue) County is not likely to be able to field more than a couple of hundred thugpigs willing/able to take part in “Raids”, and if only two or three are KIA/WIA on each Raid, very quickly, that Agency is no longer going to be able to continue this type of Action.
Then, there’s the issue of a “Raid Team” probably has twice as many piggies ‘involved’, i.e. Drivers, Communications, ‘Incident Commanders’, and other donut-suckers at Roadblocks. All are just additional ‘Targets’ (and will be unaware of that Fact, until it’s Too Late).
Eventually, this kind of nazi nonsense is going to run into the Heavily-Armed, Angry, Deranged Sandbox-War Veteran who is Off his PTSD Meds… He might even have a Flammenwerfer, too.
Trumpeter · January 16, 2024 at 9:46 pm
If that is you, turn on the GoPro camera first
Steady Steve · January 16, 2024 at 5:37 pm
As to the last question, 100% I would think. After which the ambushers should visit the homes of the recently deceased popo and burn them down. Por encourager les autres.
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