A man is pulled over by the police for a minor traffic infraction. He notifies the cop that he is carrying a firearm and hands over his concealed weapons permit. The cop said: “Once I knew he had a gun, that gave me reason to search for more contraband.” Note that the cop had no reason to believe that there was any crime being committed- after all, the man had a permit and had notified the cop that he was carrying. Still, the cop used that information to pull the man from his car, handcuff him, and leave him locked in the back seat of his patrol car for more than 30 minutes while the cop tore through and searched his vehicle.
I had a similar run in back in 2001 with an Orange county deputy in Orlando, and he threatened to kill me. That’s why I don’t tell cops shit. In this case, the victim of this roid raging idiot sued. Anyhow, here is a lawyer’s take on this case.
Some of the things that this lawyer says, and I grant that they are sensible pieces of advice, is upsetting to me. They are:
- Keep your hands visible
- Don’t make any sudden moves
- Don’t reach for anything, not even your wallet
Because cops are nervous, they tend to overreact, and will assume that you are about to use a weapon.
Cops are basically scared little boys with weapons and carte blanche to use them to kill you. That’s a bad combination, and something that speaks volumes about American law and American policing. You are the enemy and a threat- despite the fact that there are 20 million traffic stops per year and only about 120 of them result in cops being shot. (That’s a 0.000006% chance that any given traffic stop will involve cops being shot.) Cops are more likely to have a heart attack on duty, yet they don’t go around shooting people that sell fatty food.
26 Comments
Don Curton · December 17, 2025 at 6:35 am
Every time some boot licker starts talking thin blue line, I like to remind them that I’m at least 8 or 10 times more likely to die in my line of work than any cop on the street. They all look shocked and ask, I respond that I work in the chemical industry – large plants, large equipment, dangerous chemicals, etc. There hasn’t been a cop killed in the line of duty in this area in 50 years but I can name about a dozen or so people killed in chemical plants in the last decade alone. So yeah, fuck them nervous nellies. If you’re that scared, quit.
J J · December 17, 2025 at 5:05 pm
Of the top 25 most dangerous jobs in the US, source U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries, cops ranked 22nd. Officer safety my ass.
https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
Birdog357 · December 18, 2025 at 10:04 am
I’m 4 times as likely to get killed at work as a cop. I mow grass for a living…
Divemedic · December 18, 2025 at 10:21 am
Perhaps you should demand that anyone who comes near you put their hands up, so you can see that they aren’t armed. Also, tell them not to make any sudden moves, or you will kill them.
Birdog357 · December 19, 2025 at 10:35 pm
I missed a word, I’m 4x more likely to die at work than a cop is and all I do is mow grass. I was pointing out the absurdity of cops bitching about having a dangerous job.
Joe Blow · December 17, 2025 at 6:54 am
I’ll spare you the long version. Short version – former neighbor was a city cop, told me what to do when pulled over:
Park well off the side of the road, safely on the shoulder, yes, you could drive a very short distance to get to a safe parkinglot after signaling flashers or blinker.
Put the vehicle in PARK, turn the engine OFF, put the keys on the dash in a visible area, hands at 10:2, window cracked or rolled down.
At this point, the officer will be VERY RELIEVED, and the rest of the traffic stop should go fairly smooth.
Not to say there aren’t assholes on the force, not to say we should have to act this way… just saying. I’ve been stopped speeding, permit attached to my license plate, and the cop was very cool once he saw my hands at 10:2 and the car keys on the dash. Literally like a switch went off.
Boom Shakka Lakka Lakka · December 17, 2025 at 11:36 pm
I was told this same thing in the 1970s by a cop who befriended us high schoolers.
Divemedic · December 18, 2025 at 6:25 am
And neither of you sees the problem with this?
Joe Blow · December 18, 2025 at 8:14 am
Yes and No?
I Absolutely see your point, you’re not wrong, however… it’s a double-edged sword? There are two sides to every issue.
They are people (like you and me), just doing a job for a paycheck in many cases. That job comes w/ life-threatening risks (you’re a Nurse, you could get a needle-stick from some HIV patient – your job comes with life-threatening risks). There are means within the bounds of legality and decorum for BOTH of your professions to operate safely. You may stretch yours, for damned good reason, I give you the benefit of the doubt b/c I don’t know your field. Cops may stretch theirs, IMO.
Having never walked up on a car and been shot at by the driver, I initially see your side of the coin, but also try to understand where the cops are coming from?
*As an aside, I was pulled over speeding years ago and immediately started searching the glove-box for my insurance papers. Cop got to the window w/ his pistol drawn! I nearly shit my pants! Neighbor cop explained to me (as the patrolmen sitting in the car that just pulled you over) I see you fucking w/ your glove box, I dunno what you’re doing in there, could be fetching a gun….*
In your job there are risks to your health and safety you have an INTIMATE understanding of, same as the cop. Normies don’t know your world, so you don’t expect, nor frankly care, if they understand your pre-conditions for your personal health and safety while at work collecting a paycheck, and I don’t blame you! You’re gonna double-glove, put on a full-body apron and wear a mask ‘cuz this motherfucker that just rolled in looks like a meth-head and he’s bleeding green puss all over the floor! Same for the cop…. It doesn’t matter that my plate scanned clean as a whistle, he see’s me fucking in the glove box, I could be stashing the dope or pulling a gun… or getting my insurance papers. 1 out of 3 chances, what would you do? You would take extra precautions.
So yes I do have concerns about constitutional rights and civil liberties, I see them violated constantly as you brought up w/ this original post. It sucks, I agree with you and I do get it. But we also have to live in the actual world we live in, not the one we want to live in (insert liberal unicorn tears here).
Black male youths express frustration in the world for much the same reason – they are judged instantly on appearance. Ditto Muslims nowadays. Around 9/11 I had a Sikh friend who was a white boy from Wisonsin – he told me some stories.
Welp, if’n y’all would stop doing the shit y’all be doing, maybe things wouldn’t be the way they are? Amiright?
… So, all that being said, is the cop in the article posted above wrong? Yes, I believe so. I would engage a lawyer, and sue the ever living pants off everyone involved, civilly and criminally, as private individuals and employee’s of the state, because that’s how our system is setup to work, regardless of whether I like it or agree with it.
I _could_ go all feral nigger and start talking about muh respect an sheeeitt… but that’s gonna get me arrested and/or shot. I could be a total dick to the cop, start quoting laws from the county/state… and I’ll get hauled into the klink on the spot, hire a lawyer, sue the pants… Same outcome, different path.
Take the sensible path. You’re very highly likely to get fucked anyways, cuz that’s the world we live in, but the journey may be a bit smoother.
You have to see it from the other-side of the coin? You are not legally obligated to be nice to your patients – you are obligated to care for them, that is all. If they’re a PIA, start questioning you and your knowledge, quoting medical studies, do you give them your time and patience and listen, or tell them STFU and do what I say? C’mon, I know you well enough you don’t have to answer that one! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!
Get the dirty cop fired, have a permanent mark on his personell record be part of the punative punishment. It’s a better solution than being dead.
Divemedic · December 18, 2025 at 8:25 am
That is why, like the rest of us, cops should not enjoy qualified immunity. Instead, they can carry malpractice insurance like the rest of us.
The who thing about using force defensively is that the use of that force needs to be REASONABLE. I think I have done a good job at looking at police encounters through a reasonable lens on this blog. You can look through posts here to see plenty of examples of unreasonable police behavior.
Boom Shakka Lakka Lakka · December 18, 2025 at 11:30 am
Sure I do, but as Joe Blow says, we have to live in the world as it is, not the one we’d like to live in. I will say that my reactions are locale-specific. I react differently in a large city than I do in my small, mostly white, town. That being said, the last time I was pulled over was 20 years ago.
Boom Shakka Lakka Lakka · December 18, 2025 at 4:54 pm
I agree that cops shouldn’t have qualified immunity – there are far too many cases where this is misused.
Good luck with the job search; any company that hires you will get a decent and moral man.
Texas Dan · December 17, 2025 at 7:57 am
It’s a sad state of affairs really, but these videos are invaluable. It’s a lot easier when you realize that LEO isn’t there for your protection and are generally like most government employees, with the exception they carry guns and bigger attitudes.
Rick · December 17, 2025 at 8:06 am
Not too many years ago I had a conversation with a number of people. A cop in his late 30s was among the gathering. The subject of most dangerous jobs came up. I said commercial fisherman, if not the most dangerous has to be in the top three. The cop said his job was the most dangerous. I said street cop is not even in the top ten. He said ‘everyone is trying to kill me’, (direct quote) whereas the ocean is not shooting back.
Someone asked how many magazines does he carry. He answered, a lot. More than your dept requires? He smirked and said yes.
I wonder if the academies teach this stuff.
It seems the world – public and private – is now perceived as a potential battle scene.
‘You never know’ can apply to literally everything we do. Therefore cannot be used as reason to be prepared as if a contact will result in a firefight.
joe · December 17, 2025 at 6:10 pm
they are taught that everyone is the enemy…and they need to do whatever it takes to make it home…with that mindset you can understand why they act so retarded
Divemedic · December 18, 2025 at 10:28 am
Police have a fatal workplace violence rate of 2.7 per 100,000, which is roughly comparable to convenience store clerks, whose rate is 2.1 per 100,000. Compare that with cab drivers, who have a fatal workplace violence rate of 26.9.
The general homicide rate for the US is 6.8 per 100,000.
Honk Honk · December 17, 2025 at 8:20 am
I said no I have no weapons while one was in the waistline.
He let me off with a warning when I was driving recklessly and hurting Karen feelz.
Later on heel and toe I found some rainbow Thiel puffer gear at the same spot where I was stopped.
Ken Morgan · December 17, 2025 at 9:43 am
This is another reason why constitutional open carry is preferable. Last time I was stopped by a rural Sheriff deputy for speeding (rightfully) I informed him, while handing him my license and insurance, that I was armed. Deputy just said thanks for the information, and please keep you hands where I can see them. Last anyone said a word about it.
Henry · December 17, 2025 at 9:43 am
My retired police chief cousin said that cops view the rest of the population as being either 1) other cops, 2) family members of cops, or 3) perps.
Tsgt Joe · December 17, 2025 at 7:01 pm
That Us vs them attitude seems prevalent with the urban cops I’ve dealt with. My one encounter with a small town cop turned into a conversation about hunting( I was on my way to hunting and turned from the wrong lane on a snow covered road)
@HomeInSC · December 17, 2025 at 9:57 am
Lots of them die in traffic accidents too.
IIRC being a police officer doesn’t even break into the top ten most dangerous jobs in America yet we always hear about them risking their lives…
Another gripe: given their penchant for violence and abuse the IDF is not fit to train US civilian police
TRX · December 17, 2025 at 10:27 am
When Arkansas went Constitutional Carry, the enabling legislation specifically stated that having a firearm was not “probable cause.”
We’re in a sort of legislative limbo at the moment, since Constitutional Carry means, well, Constitutional Carry, but if you purchase a CHCL to legally carry in less-enlightened states, you’re still technically subject to all the restrictions that used to be placed on permit holders, like “no firearms” signs, requirement to inform police officers, etc. I don’t know of any cases of anyone having legal trouble over it, but I’ve never liked those legal gray areas.
wildman · December 17, 2025 at 2:03 pm
pulled over by trooper in maryland for not wearing my seat belt. he asked me why. i told him since ive been married i have lost the will to live. he laughed and sent me on my way
Andrew · December 17, 2025 at 3:57 pm
When Ohio (finally) got “Permission Slips” (mid 2004) it was almost 100% “to the discretion of LE”.
For example, at least the first year plus, one had to “openly carry” in the vehicle for officer safety or something. Wintertime was fun, having to make sure one’s pistol was totally visible to an officer standing next to one’s car.
Without the CHL one’s gun had to be unloaded, in the trunk (as in “totally unloaded” to include magazine/speedloader).
Pulled over one night, officer demanded (really) to “take charge of my gun” during the duration.
(Notification was mandatory until recently, not doing immediately could get one’s permit suspended or revoked)
He stared at the SP101 Ruger I had. I assumed he was going to dump my ammo in the ditch but couldn’t figure out how to open the cylinder.
Instead, guy stuffed it in his belt.
After “Fishing” he finally decides to let me off with a verbal warning, and starts to head to the patrol car.
Meanwhile, I’m looking at the guy’s partner and she’s looking back.
Before I can say “WTF” she asks if he’s keeping my gun.
He turns around, mutters something and shoves it back to me.
I did hear some horror stories about the Highway Patrol taking somebody’s carry, unloading it (totally) during at traffic stop, and depositing it “outside the passenger compartment” (trunk, back of a van, etc) and instructing “don’t think about retrieval until you arrive at home”.
They have gotten better and now “notification requirement” is over.
Gryphon · December 17, 2025 at 5:11 pm
Anytime a cop uses the Terms “Police” and “Civilians”, making a distinction between the two, it is indicating that it is a Traitor to the Republic, by way of pretending to be “Military”. Thus, an Illegal Occupier (very similar to the (((idf))) in Occupied Palestine) In Law, particularly all ‘International Law’ regarding Armed Conflict, the distinction between “Soldiers” and “Civilians” is clearly Defined, and POLICE are considered CIVILIANS.
Thus, any thugpig who refers to a Citizen as a “Civilian”, it is trying to make a Distinction that doesn’t exist. What this means is the thugpig sees the Citizen(s) as the ENEMY.
Will · December 24, 2025 at 2:32 pm
Worked around cops at a couple jobs. Discovered that they view the public with TWO labels when on the job: Perps and Victims. Generally, the label of VICTIM is attached to the FIRST person who talks to them about an incident. You will find it nearly impossible to change that label after the fact.
You may find that the cops employed by a Blue/Dem entity have a lower than average IQ. They like to hire them this way as they tend to be more amenable to control by the bosses. This came about due to a case that went to the Supreme Court. They were told they didn’t have to accept brighter employees for badge toters.
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