Here is what the left has to say about Europe, Russia, and Ukraine:
1. Europe Calls Putin’s Bluff
- Macron and Scholz, backed by Poland, the Baltics, and Finland, make a historic decision: “Withdraw from Ukraine or we’re moving in.”
- European forces begin massing in Poland, Finland, the Baltics, and Romania—fully armed, fully mobilized.
- Putin shits his pants. But, of course, he threatens nukes, because that’s the only card he has left.
- Europe responds: “Our nukes are locked and loaded, motherfucker.”
- France and the UK together have around 500+ modern nuclear warheads, and their delivery systems outmatch Russia’s aging Soviet-era bullshit.
- Reality check: Russia’s nukes? Aging, unstable, and probably not even fully functional. Meanwhile, Europe’s nukes are modern, precise, and READY.
- Before Russia could even launch a full-scale attack, Moscow, St. Petersburg, and every major Russian military hub could be vaporized.
2. Putin Realizes He’s Cornered
- Unlike dealing with the U.S., Putin suddenly faces an enemy that doesn’t give a fuck about “red lines.”
- He tries to call China. China says: “Nah, we’re good.”
- He turns to his generals. Some of them start looking for an escape plan.
3. What Happens in the U.S.?
- MAGA Still Thinks It’s a ‘Liberal Hoax’
- MAGA will believe whatever Trump tells them, and Trump will say: “Europe is acting reckless. We need to stay out of this. Russia’s not our problem.”
- Fox News and right-wing media will blame Europe and call it a “deep state” NATO conspiracy.
- Some MAGA morons will actually cheer for Putin.
- The Military and Security Establishment Lose Their Shit
- The Pentagon, CIA, and U.S. Generals will PANIC.
- Because if Europe goes in and wins, it proves that they never needed the U.S. in the first place.
- Europe goes in and nukes start flying
- The U.S. gets dragged into WWIII no matter what Trump says.
- Wall Street and the Economy Freak the Fuck Out
- Markets CRASH.
- Oil prices SKYROCKET.
- The dollar tanks because nobody trusts the U.S. anymore.
- Europe starts looking at China for financial stability.
- The American Public Finally Wakes Up
- Millions of Americans will realize that their country has become a joke on the global stage.
- Anti-Trump protests erupt.
- Independents and moderates start turning against him, realizing they’ve been gaslit by his “America First” bullshit.
So that is what the leftists who are analyzing this think is going to happen- they believe that Russian nuclear weapons are not going to work, and that Europe is going to win any nuclear war that happens, and once it is over, the US military and US people will turn on Trump and depose him. They are delusional.
24 Comments
It's just Boris · February 16, 2025 at 8:07 am
That’s an … interesting … set of assumptions. I’m not even sure where to start, except maybe to wonder just where they get information on the state of various countries’ nuclear arsenal readiness.
Charles Curtis · February 16, 2025 at 8:36 am
Yeah, no. How about we do none of any of that. How about we tell the EU, the neocons, the Ukrainians, the Israelis, every and anybody else attempting to push us into war and violence to go utterly fuck themselves.
We want and need peace. If those sodomitic sybaritic idiots in Europe want to pick a fight with Russia, let those ridiculous faggots fight for themselves. I say if they nuke Russia, we ought nuke them.
Peace, Peace, Peace. Peace now, forever, unto eternity. There is absolutely no rationale justifying war between anyone, we should be friends with everyone, demanding utterly fair treatment, giving magnanimous reciprocity, expecting the same.
We’re not going to fight and kill Russians, Chinese, Iranians, anyone else. Go fuck yourselves upside down and sideways already all you warmongering cuntish fools. We have absolutely no use for your satanic fuckery. Leave us alone already, leave us at peace befire we hang you all at the gallows you deserve,
Michael · February 16, 2025 at 8:53 am
Mindless people (or simply evil) with an agenda AND Media Control are dangerous.
As COVID showed us even the mostly smart can be blasted by enough Propaganda to act like morons.
Some of these morons are *still* wearing masks in their cars driving ALONE.
In real life(tm) a sheep or three can be fun to be around. Real 4H stuff.
A large flock of sheep can be looking right at you, a biting fly bites a few and the MOB RUNS OVER YOU. If you’re lucky you might see the ER.
SiG · February 16, 2025 at 9:19 am
I know there’s a tremendous competition for the title, but that just might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Pure projection – like pretty much everything else the left does.
Gerry · February 16, 2025 at 9:28 am
Europe’s nukes? You mean the UK and France’s nukes. I doubt either will put them under NATO control.
I can’t speak for the status of French weapons but the Brits have not spent much money over the last two decades maintaining their arsenal of weapons.
Jack D. Spadoni · February 16, 2025 at 10:12 am
Hey. I’ve been reading you for awhile but first time commenting.
WOW! Where did this come from? I know all about TDS, but just WOW!
So they’re totally good with killing 100’s of millions of people in Europe as long as they get rid of Trump?
JimmyPx · February 16, 2025 at 10:30 am
The problem is that the “analysts” and mainstream media have drank the Koolaid and been fed a total pack of lies both by the Ukrainians and the Neocons here about the REALITY of Russia and Ukraine.
Because of these lies and Neocon BS, over 1.5 million people have died on both sides and this could have been settled in 2022 but the Biden Admin and Boris Johnson said NO and convinced Zelensky to fight.
How has that worked out ?
The Russian military after making many mistakes in 2022 after a LONG time at peace has learned and are now battle hardened veterans. Russia makes all of its own weaponry and has factories churning stuff out around the clock. The stupid economic sanctions decimated the European economy but drove Russia into the arms of China and their economy is fine.
In Ukraine, their army is shattered and barely hanging on. They don’t have the manpower or weapons to even hang on to what they have and every day fall back more and more. The Russians to limit their casualties encircle Ukrainian positions and then pound them to shit with artillery and then move in to mop up. What JD Vance told the Europeans the other day was the cold hard truth. The war is OVER.
The European militaries are beyond a joke, they are tiny and poorly armed. If Russia wanted to (and they don’t), they could conquer Western Europe with ease and only the US military would have a chance to stop them. Europe defense wise has had a free ride on our back for 80 years and it needs to stop.
Europeans have free healthcare, education, great transportation systems, etc because they’ve paid almost nothing for defense for decades.
Americans meanwhile have none of these things. The end of WWII was 80 fricking years ago, it’s time to bring our forces home and let the Europeans take care of themselves.
TakeAHardLook · February 16, 2025 at 9:07 pm
And, the Fulda Gap is STILL the Fulda Gap.
[As if, in an age of hypersonic weapons, tank warfare is even feasible].
TJ · February 16, 2025 at 11:20 am
A delusional person with little power is annoying. Delusional people with great power are an existential threat. It feels like this is our last chance to restore sanity. If Trump and Mush lose the fight, we are all toast.
AK · February 16, 2025 at 12:12 pm
France and the UK have some SLBMs. France got rid of their 10 silo based MRBMs many years ago. Both have some fighter-borne nukes. Russia has +1,000 on alert ICBMs, a long-range bomber force, and SLBMs. They now have combat-trained forces, something Europe has fairly little of, even after 20 years of GWOT, and an attack by NATO on Ukraine would be looked at as an attack on the Rodina. How’d that work out in the past? Anyone want to take bets on whether the UK, even under Starmer, will put it’s nukes and conventional forces under Napoleon Mah-crone?
chiefjaybob · February 16, 2025 at 1:23 pm
Zelenskyy went on Meet the Press and claim that if the US pulls out of NATO, the gods of Russia invading Europe are 100%.
Uhhh……..
Maybe he should have stuck to comedy. Maybe he still is.
Dan D. · February 16, 2025 at 2:12 pm
As my pro-deviant, TDS former friend would say, “That’s funny.” Which was his polite way of saying “How utterly retarded.”
If I were to engage with the “Russia is a rust bucket”-types, which I am not, I’d ask them to tell me the NATO equivalent of Zircon, Oreshnik, etc. *fielded* weapon systems. The answer of course is { 0 } the null set.
Free entertainment at its best. Smile and wave, boys! Smile and wave.
SoCoRuss · February 16, 2025 at 2:37 pm
The problem with this theory is that there are A LOT of people on BOTH political sides and in both the US and Europe that actually believe this utter bullshit.
This is a sidebar of what happens when you intentionally dumb down a country’s people to the lowest common denominator.
I say FUCK Europe, let them die in a bright flash, my concern is whether Trump has the balls to stay the fuck out. The chicken hawks in Congress would love this.
The dirty little secret is NATO was never going to win or survive a war with the Soviets then or Russia today without using nukes. That was/is the known fact in every NATO/US war game exercise with any sense of truth. Yes, I know what was said publicly. I was there and participated in multiple ones, we lost every time. What was terrifying was the increasing thoughts of leadership of gaming a FIRST Strike Nuclear attack launched by US/NATO. But by luck the Soviet Union collapsed.
Look at the leadership of the West and thus is in charge of the nukes. Look at who actually owns and controls the politicians.Do you think any of these morons can think and act independently and understand 2nd and 3rd level consequences of actions under those conditions?
Think of Kennedy during the Cuba missile crisis telling General Lemay who was demanding we attack the soviets in Cuba and thus start WW3 to go fuck himself. Kennedy had seen real war and knew the consequences. Who of the current leaders has been there and seen war?
There hasn’t been a western leader worth a shit since Reagan here and the iron lady Thatcher in the UK since the 80’s. Think about that, these fucks are leading the world just because they are controllable or they wouldn’t be allowed into the office.
Change my mind?
wojtek · February 16, 2025 at 3:28 pm
Where did you find this? Even the first sentence is so wrong. Polish MOD already said explicitly that no Polish troops would go to Ukraine. Public opinion is mostly against it (despite a huge amount of brainwashing on both sides of the political spectrum). It’s not going to happen. Also because our troops are not ready – we sent to Ukraine almost every useful pieces of equipment. We purchased large quantities of new weapons, but very selectively. For example hundreds of tanks and MRLS, but there is no logistics, no engineering, no AA for these. Aside from new tanks, all the rest of our tracked equipment is post-soviet – you may see it on carefully planned exercises but it won’t work in semi-realistic scenarios.
The rest of Europe is the same – everyone drained their reserves and storage. Maybe to a lesser degree than us, but only because they are further away from Ruskies and didn’t have that much to begin with.
The only ones who right now would go are the Baltics – to a large part because they are screwed anyway. But they carry no weight – tiny countries of a little more than 1M each and young men have been leaving these countries in droves.
If Trump makes a deal with Putin, they will yap for a while, but that’s that.
Divemedic · February 16, 2025 at 3:41 pm
I agree. They are delusional
Robert · February 16, 2025 at 8:22 pm
Step #1 of this fantasy never happens. That eliminates all the rest from consideration.
Instead?
The Europeans do nothing much at all.
After a “peace settlement”, Russia keeps all the territory they conquered in Ukraine. A rump Ukrainian State remains which is dead broke and cannot pay for their military forces. They are effectively demilitarized. There are bountiful pledges for reconstruction funds, but they will never be delivered.
The European economy crashes hard. Ultra-right nationalist governments replace the current set of politicians and attempt to eject immigrant populations from their countries. This does not go well. Several countries make deals with Russia to obtain less costly energy supplies on order to restart their crashed economies.
Russia makes surprisingly good deals with European countries for energy supplies. That is because the Russians paid too much for the Ukraine conquest and their own economy is in bad shape. They need economic revival just as much as the Europeans do. They have serious problems with Muslim ethnic minorities, which are quite similar to the problems the Europeans are having. Plus, the Chinese are making moves in Siberia, taking advantage of Russian weakness there.
The US has the good sense to walk away from European affairs. Or maybe we just have too many domestic problems of our own to deal with Europe. Either way, it works out better for everybody.
Chutes Magoo · February 16, 2025 at 9:04 pm
The Uropeons have to define what an woman is before they can field any force projection!
TakeAHardLook · February 17, 2025 at 12:19 am
Read Annie Jacobsen’s “Nuclear War” for a glimpse into what would likely happen when even a few nukes are let to fly.
” Shall we play “Global Nuclear War?” “
tfourier · February 17, 2025 at 7:09 am
What we learned in the 1990’s is that the “Expert Consensus” in the West about Soviet nuclear strategy, tactics and targeting was almost totally wrong. With the exception of a few “fringe” voices. Especially the targeting,
The Russian stated nuclear use for the last two decades was “Escalate to Deescalate” with a single publicly stated military target. The ABM radar in Redzikowo , Poland. That this is the target has been repeated many time in Russian media.
The original “Escalate to Deescalate” strategy could no longer work after 2022 as Russia was now in a proxy war with Russia so it took the Russian to work out how to modify “Escalate to Deescalate” to fit the new situation. Which they did in Sept 2024. The new targets will be in Western Europe and given that all likely target will be not be in urban areas but close by the stated Russian doctrine is to give a prior public warnings of the intended targets.
Can you imagine the huge domestic political crisis in the UK and France any Russian public statement would cause when they said that for example the sub base at Holy Lock in Scotland, the radar facility at Menwith Hill in the UK, or the sub base in Brest, France etc were going to be high altitude airburst targets (so no ground blast damage, no fallout ) if the West did not “negotiate”. It would cause the worst political crisis in the UK since Suez and in France since the collapse of the 4’th Republic in 1958. Only much much worse. We are talking huge riots in major cities.
Thats the Russian game plan. The MSM and the people you described above are living in a total fantasy land. Much like the pacifists / total disarmament people of the 1930’s. In all conflicts the other side gets a vote. And they attack your weaknesses not your strengths.
The good thing about 45/47 is that the Russian domestic media was all geared up late last year for the cackling nonentity winning in November and it was looking like priming the Russian population for a nuclear brinkmanship crisis by Spring 2025. Thats now off the table. At least as originally planned by Putin. But if the troika of pollical failed leaders, Starmer, Macron and Scholz push their luck too far we may still have one. A more limited one. But this time the US will be able to stay out of it and it will be a purely European debacle. Much like 1940.
Gryphon · February 18, 2025 at 7:59 pm
The “Test” of the Oreshnik Missile was announced to NATO about 30 Minutes before Launch. Then the Russians said that IF they had to use it Again, they would Target NATO Bases outside of The ukraine, and would give a PUBLIC Warning of the Target(s) an Hour before Launch. It would not be (initially) necessary to Load with Nukes, as just the Fact of a Highly-Visible, Un-Interceptable Ballistic Missile Attack would cause the Sheeple to Panic so Bad that any ‘government’ so Targeted would either Collapse or become Ineffective within Hours.
The ability of the Russian Rocket Forces to Precisely Target anywhere with non-Nuclear Medium and Intercontinental is a ‘Level’ of Escalation that the ‘West’ does not have.
Jerseygirl Angie · February 17, 2025 at 7:47 am
The Euros think that they can defeat Russia ?
They couldn’t even handle Serbia back in the day .
Tom235 · February 17, 2025 at 8:29 am
I don’t necessarily support Russia, but screw Zelensky and the Democrat laundromat. And pull the US out of NATO and UN; let the Yurapeeins handle their own affairs.
Joe Blow · February 18, 2025 at 8:05 am
I had no idea Florida legalized drugs… pass some down man. It’s gotta be good!
You’ve been barking up this tree for years, you’re completely captured by the western jingoism you can’t even see it. How’d all that Nato gear do these 3 years? They’ve captured a nipple of territory in the Kursk region, while losing a third of their territory in the East?
That’s victory allright. Yeah, The russians are days away from crumbling, their lines are in total disarray.
For a smart guy, you’re really fucking stupid sometimes. I’m guessing it was your time in the service, fried your brain. You are incapable of seeing the US as the ‘baddies’, and can’t see our military as a failure, despite all the fail.
Divemedic · February 18, 2025 at 12:06 pm
I have no idea what you are ranting about. Read the above again. Then read your comments. Then reconsider the personal attacks.