Reading the text of the rule, it appears like this rule declares that all AR pistols are now considered to be SBRs and must be registered. If a firearm has the surface area to be fired from the shoulder, such as a firearm equipped with a nonadjustable buffer tube, then that will be considered an SBR, basically making every AR-15 pistol and SBR. Read the text for yourself: (pdf alert)
Whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations
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Bergmann MP-34 · January 16, 2023 at 5:04 pm
Genocide has never been attempted on an armed populace.
EN2 SS · January 16, 2023 at 7:00 pm
Don’t worry, it’s coming faster than you think.
Divemedic · January 16, 2023 at 10:12 pm
This prospect keeps me up at night. A civil war in the US will be brutal.
The left, having no stomach for committing violence themselves, will import what used to be called illegal immigrants to do the dirty work for them. In cooperation with UN troops, they will be the most ruthless of all. Rape, torture, murder, robbery. It will all be in play.
The other side will be forced to be nearly as ruthless, as propaganda writers from CNN, ABC, etc. will be legitimate targets. So will the families of police, informants, and government officials.
This type of fight has no limits. Expect to see people on both sides have to ruthlessly eliminate entire families- women, children, all of them. There will be no quarter and no mercy.
In the meantime, the Chinese and other nations will not sit by doing nothing.
The US will cease to exist, and it will take decades for the US to regain even a portion of its standard of living.
Steve S6 · January 16, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Comment from over at Knuckledragger’s with a alternate solution for the AR pistol, gets around the shoulder mount the buffer tube BS
“mcsgearup.com sells a short buffer tube kit that is only a few inches long that should make your pistol legal under the new rule. Rounding it out with a single point should work. If you hang on to your old tube and brace, you could reinstall if the rule is overturned.”
it's just Boris · January 16, 2023 at 8:27 pm
I wonder then, how things would play out for things like the CZ Skorpion, or an AR pistol based on a BRN-180 10″ upper with a plug in place of the buffer tube.
Castor Vulgaris · January 17, 2023 at 4:17 pm
As ludicrous and over-reaching as this new rule is, why wouldn’t they say: “You COULD shoulder the BRN-180 or Sig MCX, therefore: SBR. Go to jail, go directly to jail…”. Yes, it sounds stupid when you read it aloud. We all realize it’s not realistic to put a bare buffer tube in our shoulder, but does it sound any worse than the text of the rule? This seems to be a politically motivated FOXTROT UNIFORM to gun owners.
Jonesy · January 17, 2023 at 5:43 pm
So if they are forcing to me to register my pistol as an SBR, I’ll just make it into an SBR….I’ll remove the brace and put a proper stock on it. I think I read that they are waiving the tax stamp?
I hope it gets overturned, and I think it will, but that is the only upside I see as an alternative to becoming a felon
Elrod · January 17, 2023 at 8:28 pm
DM, a question – “John” has a currently legal AR-15 pistol, equipped with a legitimate forearm brace (not a “partial” brace that is more of a shoulder stock) and a 10.5 inch barrel. John purchases an AR-15 upper with a 16 inch barrel, removes the legitimate arm brace and installs a 6-position adjustable stock. John now has a legitimate – and completely legal – AR-15 rifle.
John then cosmolines his 10.5 inch upper, vacuum seals it in a bag with his Food Saver and secures it in his safe next to the forearm brace (which if I’m understanding the new rules, would still be completely legal on an AR-15 rifle with a 16 inch barrel).
John lives his life, etc. Is John at felony risk because of ATF’s “constructive possession” rule? If I’m reading it correctly, the answer is “yes.”
Divemedic · January 18, 2023 at 7:18 am
I’m betting he is because the ATF is fucked up
Ben C · January 21, 2023 at 8:29 pm
If “John” has any firearm registered as an SBR that could accept those components then he would not be at risk with his stuff in bags. If he does not have an SBR that would accept those components then he is at risk.
The Thompson Center case that went to the SC basically said “as long as they can be built into legal configuration, then the collection of parts is legal.” TC had a short barrel, long barrel, pistol grip only and shoulder stock as a kit. Since any AR type firearm that can touch the shoulder now is considered an SBR, there is no legal configuration with that 10.5 upper without a tax stamp.
Also, the ATF is fucked up and seems way too eager to shoot dogs at “John’s” house.
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