A utility worker was taking pictures of power lines in an area of rural NC when he was shot four times by a property owner who also happens to be a member of Delta force. The man was shot in the hand, the back, and then a final kill shot to the face. He was unarmed at the time he was shot. The man shot was from Chechnya. Other details are sparse.
There are some morons on social media claiming that Delta has permission to kill anyone taking photos of them or their families because “national security” demands that maintaining the secrecy of the identities of Delta and their families is of utmost importance. That’s nonsense. Shooting an unarmed man in the back before walking up and delivering the coup de grace to the face is not self defense, and no, the US military doesn’t have an unlimited license to kill people who are taking pictures of them.
Such a policy would be a violation of the Constitutional rights of the people being shot.
Not only that, but killing an enemy agent without interrogating him first is poor doctrine from an intelligence standpoint, so killing him wouldn’t be the smartest thing to do. Capturing and questioning him for intelligence is the smarter move.
No, this guy can’t excuse executing someone. Whether or not he gets protected by the government is another matter entirely, but this certainly looks like murder to me, judging by the sparse facts that are available.
The last thing we want is for government agents to have a license to kill by simply declaring “national security because Delta force, bitch.” Everyone has due process rights. In the absence of exigent circumstances like self defense, no one has the right to kill anyone else, not for national security reasons or any other similar ninja bullshit.
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oldvet50 · May 26, 2024 at 10:04 am
My first reaction is, don’t believe everything you read in news that has been approved for public consumption. I imagine a lot of details have been omitted. It goes along with some sage advice my dad gave me in the 1950s – “Only believe half of what you see and none of what you hear”
Jen · May 26, 2024 at 11:09 am
Nobody is saying he does. But the man was confrontational with the occupants of the home. He is a Chechen. Family claims working for power company, however this is unverified, and he had no uniform, no equipment, no company ID, nothing.
This happens to be near where somebody shot out two of our transformers last year and blacked out the entire county for a week or more. It made the national news and illustrated the fragility of our grid. Nobody ever identified. It’s also a few miles from where another body with no ID was found. News buried it.
And Bragg reporting fishing expeditions in the form of food deliveries.
Weird shit is happening here, and it’s not Pineland related.
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 1:04 pm
Still isn’t a legal or tactically sound reason to shoot an unarmed man in the back before executing him with a faceshot.
D · May 26, 2024 at 11:18 am
Maybe the article has been updated since you posted a link, but there’s some stuff there that seems a bit odd…
> a 911 caller reported someone was taking photographs and “had become aggressive towards another resident outside their home.”
Weird. An allegedly “aggressive” utility employee?
> “Investigators are still working to verify his official employment status. At the time of the incident, Daraev was not in possession of any utility equipment, utility clothing, or identification,”
Even stranger. I have a few easements on/around my property for utilities.
If PUD is on the road doing work on power lines, they are easily identifiable with vests, badges, a logo’d hardhat, marked trucks, etc… If they come on the property to read/change out the meter, they wear the same gear minus any sort of high voltage safety gear.
We recently got a call from one of the pipelines. They were going to do their annual inspection/mowing. They gave us a week heads-up via phone, postal mail, and finally a door tag saying they’d be here in May. I called the number of the materials and told the guy that we regularly target practice and for safety reasons I’d love to know exactly when they’d be showing up. He gave me a two-day window, and then the crew called to give me an hour heads-up that they would be crossing the property soon. Then they called when they were clear of the property.
Something’s suspicious about not having ID, identifiable clothing or equipment.
> It goes on to state that the shooter was released after a “short interview” with law enforcement and that Daraev was shot in the hands, twice in the back and in the face.
On the other hand, that appears to be an execution…probably beyond “stopping the threat” if there was an argument/altercation. Shot in the hands? Was he possibly backing up and trying to avoid getting shot? Twice in the back? Was he running away? Not sure what the order of events was….in the face first, then he put up his hands, then turned and ran? Hmm…
If it was “self defense”, there are suspicious elements here. If it was an execution, it seems like there was something else going on. It wasn’t just some random angry person who fired a few pot shots at the guy…it’s an explicit and overt act of someone who is potentially *very* pissed off, mentally unstable, or believes there is an extreme threat that needs to be stopped at all costs.
At the moment the whole thing leaves a lot of questions. It’ll be interesting to hear more as the investigation progresses.
IcyReaper · May 26, 2024 at 12:08 pm
In general I agree with the license to kill immunity bullshit for .GOV folks but there is something very wrong/strange with this situation.
1. What are the odds of a Chechen being on the property of a SOF guy especially Delta.
2. He had no gear that a utilities worker should have? Taking pictures,why? Without notifying property owner.
3. No ID on him at all? Had to use family and international ID, that screams INTERPOL to me.
4. Something about a argument then the way he was shot makes a statement that doesn’t add up unless threats to family were made by the worker.
Its entirely possible that this worker was a innocent Chechen or maybe he was involved with bad things a while back OCONUS as many of them are pouring across the border and came out in his job as a utility worker and recognized the SOF guy. Then came back to get proof of ID to send to buddy’s for payback, got caught and made the mistake of threatening the SOF guys family. For those that don’t know that’s the 1st thing these fuckers do when you catch them on deployments. Because it works so well in their countries. The shooting in the face is telling me alot, its a statement. For former SM’s you all know there are multiple ways to shoot someone but there are certain ways that make a statement and this appears to be one.
Also as a side comment, we are getting fiber internet where I live and have multiple crews working all over the area, we were told who and why and when they were around so no problems would pop up. I noticed there were basically no english speakers except supervisors, lots of mexicans and some arab and oriental appearing types. Also I had a interesting conversation with a guy who was former military supervising the crews. A lot of these folks are not really vetted and appear to be illegals but they just work cheap and even he had issues with the knowledge these folks are getting about our telecom system layouts.
Will · May 26, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Chechnya? Damn, that could have been a national security issue. Maybe he used a red flag law. I hear that due process goes out the window when you are red flagged.
Aesop · May 26, 2024 at 12:53 pm
Somebody just retired from Delta, and is about to have a heart-to-heart encounter with a general court martial, followed by a separate civilian criminal trial, and LWOP. Squared.
The first rule of Delta is you don’t yank a spotlight on Delta, and then pull your pants down and spank your own ass while the cameras are rolling.
The only thing that’s going to change this would be NC having the death penalty.
Some idiot(s) in the military wants to try and “protect” him from justice?
Watch how fast the entire chain of command, all the way to SecDef, gets arrested for criminal conspiracy to commit murder and accessory after the fact, buying a murder rap themselves. Every. One. Who. Touches. This.
The idea is so ludicrous it beggars incredulity.
And even POTUS can’t pardon someone for violating state laws against murder.
The military will set land speed records prosecuting this jackass, and distancing themselves from him.
Even money, by noon tomorrow, his psych evals and retroactive unfitness for duty will be released on 60 Minutes, including his entire personal history back and every misstep in his life back to to pissing his pants in pre-school.
This @$$hole is about to be shat upon, from a great height.
Then run through a wood chipper, and the pieces thrown into a live volcano.
And then have his ashes launched into space, straight at the sun.
Scot Irish · May 26, 2024 at 6:31 pm
Really? Hmm.
I agree with Divemedic.
There’s more to this than we will know.
Dan D. · May 26, 2024 at 1:05 pm
The slavish devotion across American churches today to honor .mil types as Heroes Of American Freedom ain’t helping. (I saw it myself this morning in rural NV and just bit my tongue.)
Lori G · May 26, 2024 at 1:19 pm
The Chechens did not have utility company uniforms, equipment, or id’s with. The Chechens were taking pictures of the man’s children after sunset (20:15), not something an innocent power line inspector would do. When confronted, an ‘altercation’ ensued; the man did not explain his business, show his id, or leave peacefully. Another report says ” the man had become aggressive towards another resident outside their home (wife maybe?).” They did not speak English, but Russian and had Russian phones with Russian contacts on them. The power company Ramzan Daraev and Dzhankutov Adsalan worked for is Utilities One in New Jersey, and owned by a Russian; not a company I would think would be working on utilities at night in the Fayetteville area.
I would have no problem with Chechen ‘power company guys’ not in uniform with no id’s that speak Russian photographing my kids playing in my yard after sunset, well off the road, would you?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mysterious-shooting-army-special-forces-residence-north-carolina-raises-questions
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2024/05/23/fort-liberty-soldier-under-investigation-in-carthage-fatal-shooting/73819012007/
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 2:07 pm
So you think it’s OK for the government to execute people who don’t speak English for taking pictures as opposed to simply holding them for police?
D · May 26, 2024 at 3:06 pm
I don’t think anyone here is disagreeing that the government shouldn’t be able to get away with murder by waiving the words “national security” around. It doesn’t sound like the specops guy was sent on a mission to kill innocent people by the government….it sounds like both the specops guy and the utility guy were both off the clock.
Although with some of the info in the links Lori provided, this could be some anti-terrorism spycraft fantasy. Weird non-english speaking Russian military operatives coming after a former special forces guy to kill him and his family… Sounds sorta like the plot to The Punisher.
Lori · May 26, 2024 at 3:13 pm
Of course not! There was an altercation. An altercation is a fight. If the guy is fighting either just the one or the pair of Chechens on his property after sunset to protect his family, he may have had to kill one in self defense. The guy is a Colonel; a bit long in the tooth for hand to hand fight perhaps, especially with his family at risk. It is highly likely that he could not simply ‘hold them’ for police. I am sure the investigation will find out what really happened.
What are the odds of a New Jersey utility company sending their employees in rental cars after sunset to take photos of children (not power lines) 250 yards off the road into the woodline at a private home in another state far away with no warning to customers, no uniforms, no tools and no id’s, and no English? They were from Russia, and in case you do not keep up with the news that nearby base likely has people already fighting Russia in Ukraine. Chechen recon? You might let the investigation conclude and see what they come up with before you conclude that the homeowner was a murderer. I think the day might soon come when a bunch of these events happen on the same day, only the perps will have guns blazing.
McChuck · May 27, 2024 at 9:07 am
Unlawful combatants, saboteurs, and spies may be executed on the spot. – the laws of land warfare.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 9:19 am
We aren’t at war. He wasn’t a combatant. Be careful what you wish for, or else MAGA will be declared to be combatants.
Botan · May 26, 2024 at 2:02 pm
Seems these “guys” (as there were more than 1) were “working” for a NJ utility company (???) and had no badges, uniforms, equipment, etc. There was an attack on a local utility substation a few months ago that knocked out power to about 2-4K (?) people for about 2-4 weeks. What non citizen NJ utility workers are doing in NC has yet to be determined as the company hasn’t answered their phones or emails – that I know of. Sneaking around in the back of somebodies property at night isn’t very smart. This is local to me as I live in the Ft Bragg (Ft Liberty LOL) area.
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 2:09 pm
And again, why execute them instead of simply holding them until police arrive?
Robert · May 26, 2024 at 5:03 pm
Because the officer over-reacted to a perceived threat against his children and his family.
He jumped too many steps ahead to the plan where he would get those evening photos of his children in a package with the clear implication “nice kids you have there, shame if something happened to them. Now meet with our guy at a local cafe for further instructions”.
Frankly, nothing will happen to persons doing reconnaissance for terrorist groups under our current legal system. But these two guys were not “innocent utility workers”. It is a good cover story. At best, they were low-level operatives doing a “sneak and peek” around a prospective target for a future terrorist operation.
They weren’t going to make any threats or actions against the officer. The people who sent them out were going to do that.
Aesop · May 26, 2024 at 4:42 pm
Perhaps explain to everyone how an unarmed Chechen NJ utility worker looks different from a legit NC utility worker “at night” over the front sight of a weapon, and how, if it was “night”, he was hit multiple times.
Please show all work.
Absent a good explanation, and wildly improbable exculpatory details coming to light (like dead boob being on the CIA’s Top Ten Wanted Terrorists list, or something similar), executing unarmed civilians by shooting them until they’re dead is normally considered, by pretty much all military commands, to be a clear-cut violation of Article 118 of the UCMJ.
And if Rambo thought getting photographed by one guy was a problem, wait until his face is all over the news and internet worldwide in the next week or two.
I repeat, this clown to a near certainty just retired from Delta about 5 minutes ahead of his court martial for murder. If he’s really lucky, he’s only going to get life in prison from a military court, with parole about 30 years from now. So that he can begin serving his 20-50 year sentence for the civilian criminal conviction.
With good behavior time off, he should be out by 2075 or so.
I imagine the over-under wagering on whether he kills himself while awaiting trial is going to be…vigorous.
10% chance the Fibbies “discover” he was in the U.S. Capitol on 1/6/21, and whisk him off to the incognito wing of the federal prison system, never to be heard from again.
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 8:02 pm
Yeah. Those who support this are saying “We don’t know what happened” before concocting a wild story that sounds like the plot from a season of ’24’ that is completely unsupported by available evidence and still doesn’t make the shooting legal.
Anonymous · May 26, 2024 at 6:17 pm
why execute them instead of simply holding them until police arrive?
Because government doesn’t “work” in the way described by government’s sales pitch, and most people know that.
Gerry · May 27, 2024 at 11:41 am
If he was executed, why call the police. Just dump the body/bodies on the restricted area around the SFOD-D compound and be done with it. More to the story than has been written.
jimmyPx · May 26, 2024 at 3:04 pm
As with everything, the devil is in the details and we don’t have them all. There is more to the story but these Chechens were acting FISHY as hell and c’mon it sounds like they were casing his property.
I had a similar experience in my yard a few years ago. There are NO utilities in my back yard and I have a 6 foot wooden fence surrounding it. One day, I see 2 sketchy guys in my back yard with no uniforms or ID taking pictures of my house. I went out there with my load 38 in my pocket and yelled “who the hell are you and why are you on my property”. As I said this my hand was in my pocket and was ready to draw. One of the guys realized that he was about to be shot and he was from some “buy your house” scammer and I told him he had 10 seconds to GTF off my property or ELSE and to never come back. Those 2 ran out of there.
I know the trouble I could have had if I shot them but if they had a weapon or came at me, I was going to shoot both of them. You never know who some stranger tresspassing on your property is and it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
ModernDayJeremiah · May 26, 2024 at 3:51 pm
Big Country has a somewhat different take. Worth a read.
https://bigcountryexpat.com/index.php/2024/05/25/another-busy-busy-weekend-w-sappers-kin-and-a-10th-group-connection/
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 8:12 pm
I love the guy, but BC doesn’t have any evidence for any of that, and 10th group is based in Colorado, not North Carolina.
Hightecrebel · May 26, 2024 at 5:58 pm
I have doubts about the whole “executed” angle. Shot in the hands, back and head? Considering how quickly “I” can fire multiple rounds on target, I have no doubt a Delta guy would have got on target and fired that many rounds in two or three seconds at most if he was threatened. And if the guy started to turn as he saw the gun it would explain how they ended up in his back.
All that long winded typing to say “I’ll wait for more info to come out”
Divemedic · May 26, 2024 at 7:58 pm
No head. Shot in the back and FACE.
Lori · May 27, 2024 at 3:40 am
You might be right, but what if he were shot in the back because he was going for the guy’s teenage daughter? Shot in hands could be a struggle for the gun. As Jimmy says, the devil is in the details. I’m sure a thorough investigation will happen.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 7:48 am
Lot of “what if” on this.
Occams razor applies here.
Robert · May 27, 2024 at 7:16 am
This smells like a “field interrogation gone bad”, with a belligerent prisoner and a really angry interrogator, resulting in a summary execution. Not good military practice or discipline. Definitely not legal. Does that even matter anymore? Did it ever matter? Maybe not.
The unarmed decedent was unlikely to have been a direct threat to the officer. Except that that were two of them. The officer had no way to know if either one was armed, and a two-on-one scenario is a threat potential even without weapons.
As for “we will wait for more info to come out”? My guess is that it is going to be a long wait. Too many organizational conflicts in this incident, and better for all of the organizations involved to just make it go away quietly.
southernborne · May 27, 2024 at 7:56 am
Love your blogging, read it every day. There is just not enough information to make a call either way. As i see it none of us any longer have confidence that this will be fairly investigated and reported. We are being let down by all of own institutions.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 9:19 am
I find it difficult to come up with a realistic scenario where it is permissible to shoot an unarmed man for trespassing.
D · May 27, 2024 at 9:56 am
Well…maybe that’s the issue. Maybe it wasn’t as simple as an “unarmed man” who was trespassing.
Like you said above, there are a lot of “what if’s”.
But none of those what if’s are people claiming the government should be allowed to summarily execute people.
But again, is my mailman a “government agent” when he goes home at night, has dinner with his family, and then shoots a home intruder?
Sure, he may be a murderer for his actions, and he may well not be.
Take the government part out of the whole equation. If I were reading a story about you doing the exact same thing would I be screaming “justified”, “unjustified” or “something’s fishy here” and then speculating what may have led to such an incident.
I mean…it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen someone shot multiple times in the front and back. “You shot him in the my client in the back!” “No, I stopped the threat using the surface that was presented to me”.
We may never get more details on the issue, but we all need more information to make an informed decision instead of guessing and theorizing. Although the theorizing is fun.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Cool. So without inventing facts that aren’t there, explain how it is legal to kill someone for trespassing.
D · May 27, 2024 at 12:56 pm
Seeing as how the facts are basically “there’s a dead body, the dead body was unarmed, and the person who pulled the trigger is SF”, you an’t extrapolate if it’s legal to kill someone or not.
It is legal to kill someone who doesn’t have a gun? Yes.
Is it illegal to kill someone who has a gun? Yes.
Under certain circumstances. None of which have been proven or are considered facts at the moment.
Anything beyond that is speculation–including speculating that the guy was an on-the-clock agent of the government (speculation at the moment) who killed an ordinary citizen (speculation) who was just doing his job (speculation) for the power company (speculation).
* I haven’t read anything this morning on the issue, so I’m not sure if any of those speculations have been confirmed yet or not.
You seem to be under the impression that people are commenting because they disagree with your premise that government can’t arbitrarily execute people. I haven’t seen anyone arguing for that. The comments are all debating the nuance of various points that have yet to be confirmed as fact or fiction.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 2:02 pm
The issue that I have is that so many are willing to look the other way because the shooter was SF.
The fact is that it is illegal to kill anyone. There are defenses to that, such as self defense, but none of the elements of self defense have even been raised here. Presuming that self defense was the legal defense in this case is a huge leap of faith.
Southernborne · May 27, 2024 at 11:13 am
How about assault? You are assuming facts that are not yet in the record.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 12:45 pm
So a well trained commando can’t take on an unarmed man without shooting him?
What am I assuming? He shot an unarmed man who was trespassing. Fact.
Anything beyond that is filling in the blanks.
You guys are slobbering all over this guy because he is SF. Fact is, it looks like he fucked up.
D · May 27, 2024 at 1:33 pm
> So a well trained commando can’t take on an unarmed man without shooting him?
I must have missed that section in NC law. “If your life is in imminent danger, you must first say ‘STOP’ really loud. If that doesn’t work and you survive, blow your rape whistle. If you’re still alive after that, you can escalate to ninja skills before finally using a gun”.
You’re making the assumption that the trespasser was just some innocent dude out for a stroll at night.
I’m not making that assumption, and I’m NOT making the assumption that the shooter was some sort of SF god who needs to be worshiped and allowed to kill indiscriminately based on some government title or hand-waiving about national security either.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 2:07 pm
Yes I am, because there has been no evidence offered to the contrary. The worst that has been said about him is that:
1 He didn’t speak English
2 Wasn’t a US citizen and may or may not have been an illegal alien
3 Was trespassing
4 at dusk
5 was taking pictures in the area of the SF guy’s house/family
Not one of those allegations rises to the level of justifying lethal force, nor does all of those allegations taken in totality.
Sarin · May 26, 2024 at 9:07 pm
So, if this colonel has operated in any AO before, he would understand rules of engagement and escalation of force procedures. That trash was drummed into us even for DA fun and games, which leads to…questions that probably won’t be answered anytime soon, if at all.
I don’t have faith in any “investigation”, the results will be dubious, at best. A statement released by him or his attorney, may carry minimal weight.
Without going all Tom Clancy, this was either:
1) Murder
2) A deadly force situation that escalated quickly with a statistically anomalous amount of oddities, to say the least.
3) Something fitting as the subplot for an Ian Fleming novel (not the new BS either).
As Aesop said, service history be damned; this cat will be COSO’d so fast, it won’t even be funny. Paperwork is likely already complete waiting for formal charges to be filed and he’ll be a civilian by the time it hits the news that charges were filed. Don’t pass go, don’t collect retirement. Feel bad for his family if he’s getting railroaded.
I doubt we will see anything of substance on this and will be left with more questions than answers. Speaking of, what might they be trying to hide while we are trying to figure this out?
Robert · May 27, 2024 at 12:16 pm
With reference to the post by Sarin, I am going with “Door Number 3”. A decent sub-plot for a novel, except this one is for real.
My guesses are:
(1) We will hear nothing more about this in the major media.
(2) No charges will be filed against the officer.
(3) The officer will be quietly reassigned to another post.
(4) It will be a real bitch for the new property owner/caretaker when the Chechen hit team shows up expecting to find the officer and his family there. They won’t be there of course. Things will get ugly for whoever is there.
(5) We won’t hear anything about (4) in the major media.
With respect to the post by Aesop, “The “Rules” rapidly are changing, and not for the better. We have military commanders being activity targeted by Chechen recon teams. There are only a few possible outcomes from that situation and all of them are bad. Pick the one you hate the least.
With respect to the view of our host Divemedic: No, I am not happy with the new ways of doing things. If rule of law still meant anything, this killing almost certainly should be considered unlawful. But, the times, they are changing.
The officer had sound reasons to believe he and his family were being targeted for assassination based upon his current duties in military operations. He had surveillance video of the intruders from previous days, and they weren’t taking pictures of a completed job site. They were doing advance recon for another kind of job entirely.
My guess is that he over-reacted. And he got lucky that he encountered a team of low-skilled amateurs doing what they thought was a low-risk assignment. Had this been an actual hit team. he most likely would not have survived the encounter. It was foolish to challenge the intruders, even more so not to just let them go. That would have been an effective message to their sponsors, without all the fuss that we hear about now.
But then again, “nobody is coming to save you”.
Brad · May 26, 2024 at 11:07 pm
You’ve got about 20% of the 411 you need to form an opinion on this. Keep watching.
Joey · May 27, 2024 at 6:15 am
No one asks how a Russian company has a powerline maintenance contract in USA?
Because “Homeland security” is busy importing a hostile military force.
Aesop · May 27, 2024 at 12:19 pm
Because the Fibbies supposed to be doing counterintelligence are too busy faking rightwing supremacists at church socials, and instigating panty raids that can be ginned up into “insurrections”.
This ain’t rocket science.
Salient facts remain:
1) Shot dead.
2) While unarmed.
That’s a slam dunk murder indictment, in two different judicial systems, for the same crime: homicide.
The fairytales will all appear at the trial(s).
And of the two, the military one is far more likely to convict, in about a week of trial time.
If you’re innocent, you want to face a military court martial. The prosecution either has the goods, or they don’t.
If they do, and you’re guilty, you’re going to be drawn, quartered, burned, and the leftovers carried to the four corners of the realm in less time than a civilian court takes just to indict someone.
TCK · May 27, 2024 at 3:08 pm
Murder isn’t a crime when demonrats do it.
Just ask Ashli Babbet or that Trump supporter down in Denver.
Oh wait, you can’t.
Univ of Saigon 68 · May 27, 2024 at 7:29 am
Yet another article about this from Red State.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2024/05/27/new-info-related-to-shooting-death-of-chechen-national-who-was-on-army-special-forces-soldiers-property-n2174705
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 7:55 am
Large parts of that link are BS. If the phones were taken for analysis, it would not have been by the Army, who hasn’t got the tools or jurisdiction in this case. It would have been the FBI or NC law enforcement.
OneGuy · May 27, 2024 at 8:47 am
So much is wrong with this story. They had to bring in interpreters to interview the other workers hired by this same company! Seriously? A company hires a bunch of non-English speaking foreigners to go onto other people’s property with no id no marked clothing and cause trouble! And we are surprised that there is a problem.
Toastrider · May 27, 2024 at 9:48 am
Hate to break it to DM/Aesop, but the days of SFOD-D being hush hush are… kind of in the past. A lot of the former (and some of the current ones) tend to run their mouths. Weaponsman they are NOT.
Also, shooter is a Colonel? That’s going to be interesting.
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 12:41 pm
Never claimed they were. In fact, the fact that they aren’t hush-hush destroys the “they shot the guy to protect Delta’s secret identity” theory
Aesop · May 28, 2024 at 3:16 pm
???
Kindly point to anywhere I said SFOD-D is “hush-hush”, as if that has anything to do with anything in this stupidity tale.
I’ll wait why you look for that.
To all appearances at the moment, this guy is a brasshole idiot, who appears to have simultaneously wet his pants, shat the bed, cancelled his career, resigned his commission, and quite possibly half-orphaned his children, in about 2 seconds worth of spurgasm with a weapon in his hand. IOW, he’s on par with about 98% of current Army colonels.
I’m waiting to find out his “Delta” status was actually him being assigned to support Delta, but he’s actually just some supply officer weenie with delusions of grandeur, in 3, 2, …
The only thing “special” about the guy at this point is the short bus he should have been sent home on.
Milton Stanley · May 27, 2024 at 10:37 am
There’s definitely more going on in this case than meets the eye. If the “special operations soldier” is indeed a colonel, then he is the commander of the entire special forces group at Ft. Bragg. I haven’t seen any comments on that little fact, but it just might be significant in this story. I have some theories, but I agree with the commenter who says we will probably never know what was really going on here.
Aesop · May 28, 2024 at 9:49 pm
The number of bird colonels and lt. cols at Ft. Bragg is a number far larger than “one”, and someone being connected with Special Forces and holding O-6 rank is a number you probably couldn’t count even on the fingers of both your hands, and only two of them command anything.
So his rank is necessarily indicative of no such group command.
And SFOD-D isn’t a “group”. That first D is for “detachment”.
It’s around 800 or so guys, well over half of whom are support or service troops.
There are only a few hundred “tier one operators”.
As noted, the guy could conceivably be someone from a number of non-18-series MOSs, and not even be a qualled and tabbed SF officer, just someone chopped to one of the supporting units.
OMG! A gold-plated idiot in the Army with chickens on his epaulets?!? Like that isn’t five hundred times a day in Big Green, going back a century and a half, if not longer…
IcyReaper · May 27, 2024 at 1:23 pm
Ok everybody, we can all agree that there is something wrong with all of this. But none of us knows the story yet, if we ever will. If he is charged that will say alot. If he isn’t then other things may be on play.
I don’t think anyone here agrees with murder. BUT there are more things that count. When you are a SOF guy you will get targeted if at all possible while deployed and sometimes back in CONUS by the bad guys. If they can get a picture of you it WILL be posted in public and online. I have personally seen wanted photos with bounty’s on people I know professionally and personally. Now if I had these guys come on my property and I was dam sure they were casing me and my family and were a threat and then a confrontation occurred where without a doubt that if I held them for the local cops once they were released they would be back for me and family and they told me that in specific detail, what should I do? Play the bullshit legal no justice system game where we all know is corrupt or end this and send a message?
Once again, I DO NOT condone unjustified murder especially from feds or any .GOV official. BUT we don’t know the whole story and I for one WILL NOT judge him or anyone based on a local news bit, just yet. This is also just my opinion so I hope no one takes this personally. Look how people are starting to take sides based on a mainstream media story from a media NONE of us trust or believe anymore but in this case somehow its different? Think about that and how the media can shape the battlefield of public opinion.
Also, for all the discussions we do here on the ongoing collapse of the american system, this is a prime example of what choices you WILL have to make for you and your family’s lives.So think long and hard about it now! Talking about it and what you think you will do is one thing but actually pulling the trigger is a totally different action you cant pull back and a life decision event for most normie americans who were never military or LEO’s and never had to make those type decisions. Make the wrong choice and you and family die in violent ways you can not comprehend. Play the legal game of letting the system protect you and pray it works or protect your family. These will be the most important decisions of your life. This is real life and isn’t the movies and most Americans do not understand the levels of brutality our enemies are perfectly good with and adept at and actually extremely enjoy and the reciprocal levels of brutality that you WILL need to use to stop them…….
Divemedic · May 27, 2024 at 2:03 pm
Can you name a single case where a US military member of any kind was targeted in the US?
Don Curton · May 27, 2024 at 1:54 pm
As an aside, after any hurricane there’s tons (and I mean TONS) of non-local contract people that descend on the area for various utility repairs. Now, that’s not necessarily a bad thing, as there’s always way more work than the local utility workers can handle. I’m in Texas and I had my power restored by some good old boys from Pennsylvania one year. However more than a few are sketchy and some are outright criminals running scams. I’ve had several groups knock on the door asking for permission to come in the yard and/or house. No uniforms, no local ID, no written work requests. I’ve said NO to them all of them. If I didn’t call for service, there’s no reason to be at my property and there’s never any reason for anyone to come in the house. And yes, I’m carrying and so is the wife. Never had any of them get overly argumentative, but yeah, sketchy as hell.
About this particular situation, all I can say if keep your head on a swivel. No idea what happened and 90% of what you read in the news is fake and gay anyway.
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