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There is a lesson here

Some things are coming to light about the shooting in Texas.

  • The gunman walked around the outside of the school, firing shots for 12 minutes before entering. No one thought to lock the doors.
  • There was no cop on the property to defend the kids.
  • The cops that did arrive retreated as soon as they received incoming fire.
  • Then 150 cops stood around outside and defended the shooter from angry parents. Why? Because they knew that the parents were less of a threat that the shooter. It’s safer to Taser Suzie Soccermom than it is take on an 18 year old crazy man armed with a gun.

Nothing I have seen in the past few days has changed my opinion that the majority of America’s cops are pussies. This is good news for those of us who own guns. There will be no confiscation of guns by police in this country. The cops have no stomach for it. They would rather drive around shooting at unarmed people who they know won’t return fire.

Leftists on Twitter have been saying that this shooting and the response of the cops proves that good guys with guns don’t stop bad guys with guns. Wrong. Any armed man who “takes cover” for an hour while a madman shoots children in the face isn’t a “good guy” with a gun. He’s a gutless coward who can’t even call himself a man, much less a good man.

Now the an official from the police is dodging responsibility, and frankly engaging in a coverup of the cowardice and ineptitude of his fellow officers.

These are the cops who, armed with machine guns, body armor, stun grenades, armored shields, and a fucking armored vehicle, hid outside while children died because an 18 year old kid with mental issues and a semiautomatic rifle scared them away.

29 replies on “There is a lesson here”

What to do IMMEDIATELY-
1. Harden your heart to deal with evil
2. Be prepared to green light (without this, it won’t matter what weapons you have. You HAVE to have the ability to flip into cold killing mode)
3. Hug your family every day and tell them you love them
4. Carry a weapon at ALL times, improvised or firearm

And yes, I put #4 intentionally

> No one thought to lock the doors.

The high school I went to had regular door knobs into the classrooms, except for the chemistry and band rooms. These rooms were arranged along a branched corridor system with a limited number of doors to the outside. All of those doors were aluminum-framed glass with crash bars, opening outward. They had locks that operated more or less like dead bolts; they could only be locked or unlocked with a key. The keys were normally in the school office; a staffer unlocked the doors in the morning and the cleanup crew locked them at night.

I have no idea what kind of door locks or room arrangement they have at Uvalde, but I wouldn’t have found it strange if the doors *couldn’t* be locked by the students or teachers. I also suspect local fire codes might dictate whether outside doors could be locked without a key.

Most school buildings (and most other commercial and institutional buildings) I’ve been in for any reason since the early 90’s have had exterior doors that open out from the inside, with crash bars on the interior. The locksets can usually be set to lock access from the outside, while remaining operable from the interior for safe egress.

Of late, at least in my local AO, the schools have made a big production of annoucing the addition of secure entrance ways via a combination of dual sets of doors (inner and outer, with a “secure” vestibule in between) access controlled from the office by CCTV/intercom at the door and remote activated locks (anyone entering has to be identified and then buzzed in). The so called secure vestibule is usually glass, so not secure against gunfire or being otherwise broken out, though it may well be laminated to make the latter more difficult.

I’ve no idea if the school in the present case had any or all of the above measures in place, but that an exterior door, especially one other than the main entrance where it is far less likely to be monitored, is left unlocked and accessible to intruders during the school day, is inexcusable.

Based on a what I’ve heard/read so far, the shooter entered unimpeded through an unsecured non-primary entrance at the rear or side of the building. Was this door unlocked? Or did he defeat the lock by firing into the door and destroying the lock mechanism, or even the entire door? This is a simple detail to determine and report on; if the door was shot all to hell, or forced open with a pry bar, that leaves obvious damage. If it was entirely undamaged, then it wasn’t secured and he just walked right in. And yet, I’ve seen no definitive reporting on that yet. Has anyone else here? This is seemingly being treated by the media as a minor detail and not receiving any real scrutiny. If the door was unsecured, then somebody screwed up.

The police claming they lacked a battering ram and had to wait for a door to be unlocked is ludicrous. Even if the exterior doors were full steel slabs with no windows to break out, so access could be gained by reaching through to the inside to push the crash bar, certainly there had to be exterior ground floor windows they could’ve broken and entered through. The excuse making of officials is just grasping at straws to justify their failure to put forth even the most minimal effort at gaining control or the situation.

This should be a seminal moment in how the public reacts to such situations. 9/11 taught us a hijacked plane was likely doomed regardless, and that passengers should thereby mount a counter offensive against the hijackers. It also taught that a building under terrorist attack should be evacuated without any regard for claims by the prevailing authority that it is safe to remain or go back inside and shelter in place.

Will this incident have the effect of parents showing up armed at future school shootings and attempting to bypass any police already on the scene? It should. Really, it should cause the dissolution of public schooling, but that is a hypothetical solution that reaches well beyond what most NPCs will even begin to consider, so remains a non-starter in my opinion. Besides, with what is now widely known of public school staff and curriculums, any parent who truly cares would not have their kid enrolled in such a hellhole.

Yes, they will cop out and say they have to use the public school because of cost, being a single parent, access to sports and socialization, or any number of other typical canned responses to the suggestion these places are not fit for purpose and should be closed. And that is why they (and society in general) will keep on losing.

Of course there was a helpfully open door to let the shooter in.
The democrats don’t want their false flags being ruined by something as lame a locked door.

Yeah, wasn’t until yesterday I saw the reported detail that the door was left propped open. Some secure campus that turned out to be. Now today we find out the shooter was popped 4 years ago for threats, but never convicted. Tell me again about how mandatory background checks and licensing of gun ownership will solve the problem.

If the “problem” is deplorable white Christian men with guns…

What’s the odds on all nine of those twats,,, I mean swats living through the rest of the year? After standing around while children were being murdered?

From my observations over the past decade the SWAT team and the other police there have a PRETTY DAMN GOOD Odds nothing aside from one scapegoat at best will happen to their jobs and pensions.

Aside from Kyle’s self-defense shooting at Kenosha, Wisconsin, we have been Big Hat NO Cattle. Timid is the best word to describe Americans. Wish it wasn’t so but facts do point out how a few loud mouths can “Cancel Us” and they continue to enjoy meals out in peace.

We are Law Abiding, and THEY are writing the Laws.

As a side note given how failure to take psychotropic meds like SSRI’s can trigger such evil behaviors, HOW many of YOUR Peers are also ON them? When those meds run out (and they will) THEN WHAT?

Going to be a whole lotta CRAZY running around. Not all leftists, purple hair trannies.

Praying for wisdom

I took them for a while. I didn’t like what they did to me, getting off them was rough but ultimately a good thing.
I learned to face and work through my problems. Too many people won’t or can’t, I feel sad for them.

This incident is another reason to avoid crowds and places where you aren’t supposed to be able to defend yourself (and yes, I always have “something” with me, even on an airplane).

My peers? Absolutely none that I’m aware of. Maybe you should find a better class of peers.

I hope your right friend. Being wrong might be ah, Interesting as in the Chinese Curse.
Moore and Mattison found that nearly 17 percent of adults in the U.S. reported filling at least one prescription for a psychiatric drug in 2013.
I know that number is higher now.
That number doesn’t count folks that self-medicate with booze and other substances-habits. All this in what you and I would call “Normal Stressors” (remember this was 2013)
Proverbs 22: 24Do not make friends with an angry man, and do not associate with a hot-tempered man, 25or you may learn his ways and entangle yourself in a snare.…
Proverbs 15:18
A hot-tempered man stirs up strife, but he who is slow to anger calms dispute.
Proverbs 19 A hot-tempered person must pay the penalty; rescue them, and you will have to do it again.
As a medical soldier in combat, I was to watch my peers for stress and support them. We need to do the same for those in our tribe.

I was a special tactics operator, a cop, a contractor that taught among many things active shooter, a combatives instructor and cqb instructor. The comments from J. insle (spelling) a famous security contractor in Texas yesterday made pretty mad. His whole stick was cops need more training and equipment. No, they dont. He gave the standard government contractor line. They didnt even commit to follow the first most basic rule of an active shooter, move to the gunfire. They lacked organization and initiative and teamwork getting in the school and engaging. Cops in training should implement peer evaluations into their training and their time as a rookie. cops need a selection process besides diversity and affirmative action hires. My point. USAF special tactics as far as i know, its been six months since i checked, has not put a female in the pipeline. Why? Cant get past the initial selection. And ST isnt lowering its standards like Ranger school. Getting through 2 1/2 of initial training, some of the toughest of any service special ops career field isnt because you were the biggest stud, its because you exhibit team skills, initiative, a certain physical ability and dont quit. Another thing that these police lacked was initiative, speed and violence of action. You can train it, but if you dont have it, you just dont, go find another job, your gonna get people killed as as just witnessed in spades.

The Uvalde “somewhat team” photo cements it all. Most are overweight, a female? Lets see if she can hump 125# of gear over 10k on terrain in under 2 hours, or maintain 6 min mile for 6 miles, or the myriad other basic physical tests special ops has to meet to meet the standard, not even exceed it, just the standard. let alone 2 mins with most any average, trained male in a full Blauer suit fighting at full-speed and power. Many may think these tests are relevant, they are, these and the many others show your courage, determination, your character, teamwork, etc…more funding and equipment wont change what you lack in character, initiative and courage. Yeah, not worried about the police doing much if we ever reach spicey time here. Pretty bad when you are at the first stage of a career (street cop) and you have already hit the peter principle, walmart loss prevention is calling your names chuckleheads.

when i tested years ago, we would have 300-500 people at a test…now depts are lucky if they get 20 people to test…this would be for 50-80k population cities…the gene pool of qualified applicants is very small…it’s like constanza’s dick after being the pool…most depts are just filling positions because no one wants to do the job any more other than getting a check…they don’t want to be police, they just want the cool toys and drive a squad…it won’t get any better any time soon…

Nothing I have seen in the past few days has changed my opinion that the majority of America’s cops are [executing the evolutionary strategy of the prairie chicken, which is that whichever nail raises their head above the average height gets pounded down, so don’t do that m’kay]

There’s probably a beautiful Chinese expression for it. But the problem is, the voters/”citizens” are even more timid.

Fred Reed points out that young men of his generation brought their long guns to school each day in hunting season, so they could hunt on the walk home, yet school shootings were extremely rare. There is a “black box” warning on SSRI’s which says, clinical trials proved there exists a rare side effect of motivating uncontrollable violence, which usually occurs when young men suddenly stop their dosage. Young men who have lousy family situations where parents don’t supervise them. Young men who have had police called to their homes for domestic disturbances 20 times in 3 years. I’ve heard that the rise in the rate of school shootings matches the time when the first SSRI entered the market. Maybe school shootings are a rare but nasty drug side effect, and the health+pharma+government+media social class lies about that.

Uvalde is a small town. They have like half a dozen cops. Barneys. They don’t have a SWAT or tac gear, I’m guessing. They had to call for help, which took some time to arrive.

The door wasn’t unlocked. It was blocked open by a teacher who ran out to see about the accident.

The orginal call was for a shooting at the funeral home. It took crazy doofus a little bit to get to the school. He got into one classroom and lit it up (100 rounds worth) before cop #1 even got there. He wasn’t shooting kids for an hour. More than likely, they were dead 5 minutes after he got into the school. He never left that one classroom.

https://youtu.be/btfcVYIHIsI

While I don’t disagree with your opinion about cops in general (your average barney doesn’t have a fight in him), You saw a video of distraught parents and cops trying to control the scene. You didn’t see what was going on in the building.

It’s a small town, with a small police force and a small school. Watch the video and look at where the shooter was, and tell us how y’all would rambo in there without getting shot dead, over kids that were already dead. How many adults should’ve been shot while trying to breach a steel classroom door without the tools to open it?

Y’all are asking a lot, and assuming a lot about a small town police force. Nearly all the gossip has been wrong – cops didn’t go in there to save only their kids, the border patrol guy didn’t charge in there, the SRO wasn’t on campus and didn’t trade shots and run.

What you have here is a narrative, started by dung beetle o’rourke. So quick was he to dance on the bones of the dead, I’d think it was engineered. I’m more apt to believe that freak was wound up and supplied by a glowie than Texas cops just stood around while a shooter rampaged through a school.

Tell me you didnt bother to read the post without saying that you didnt read the post.
They do have a SWAT team. I even posted a picture of them in this post. The kids weren’t dead. They were on the phone with 911 while the cops you worship were outside cuffing up women and intimidating fathers with machine guns.
As to whether or not we would have “Ramboed in” as you call it- I risked my life for the better part of 3 decades by going into dangerous places. Fires, chemical spills, shooting scenes, trench collapses, and others. Not once did I try to avoid danger when there was a life to be saved. So you can forget that shit.

Listen to the story of this kid:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-school-student-survival/

So I repeat: they are cowardly pussies. Keep trying to make excuses. I call them like I see them. You can’t excuse hiding while children were dying, knowing they are your responsibility and still be a man

Not a cop fanboi. I so much as said so And Rambo was a poor analogy given the mood here. And I didn’t notice the uvalde logo on the tactical barnies.

My point was threefold:
1. Rural police department is incompetent and over their heads. Duh. So they have a SWAT. Better dressed and geared incompetents.
2. Ergo, it was a shitshow inside and out. Should the outside one collide with the inside one? Sure, some of those here could’ve done better. You’d have been an eagle trying to take off in a flock of turkeys.
3. There’s a narrative building here over and above incompetent cops. You can’t believe the press today any more than a week or two ago.

Your post article – says the kid’s in room 109. That’s up the hall on the same side where the shooter entered, not on the path he took while shooting at the school. The floorplan is wrong, the kid wasn’t in that room, or they embellished.

The daily mail article in the main post is wandering and full of contradictions – No resource officer was there. He waltzed right in unimpeded. He was met by a resource officer that didn’t shoot him, don’t know why. They waited on shields to do anything. A border tac guy said hell with that, rushed in and saved the day. That’s a few I found without going full sperg.

I have a problem with reading articles crafted by those that are even more incompetent and lying than their subject, thinking it holy writ, rending my garments and working myself into a frenzy.

I believe an ex cop, who may have talked with someone that knows something a little, not a whole lot, more than some nob reporter who’s job it is to shit stir.

The truth will come out. I was presenting another view.

You can say that you are not a cop fanboi but your words appear to belie your claim.

You don’t need any press reports to watch the numerous videos taken by parents outside the school to know that the dumb fuck cops, who supposedly had active response training back in March, did not do shit. That is the point. Duh.

There is no other option (or view) in a situation like this than to run toward the gunfire and do something, anything, to try to take out the shooter. Period. Full goddamn stop.

Uvalde is so South Texas it might as well be North Mexico.
Mexicans have an interesting way of decorating bridges.
All we’ll really have to do is look the other way…establish a perimeter …make sure no help arrives. You know, standard cop procedure.

the way i see it is the mayor should call in the chief of police and tell him that everyone of the officers which stood around for 5 or minutes outside of the class rooms should be fired, period. the chief should then be told he must have on the mayors desk his letter of resignation by start of business the next day. otherwise be publicly fired. the officers who stood around are cowards, they took a job which requires them to sometimes risk their lives. not just hand out speeding tickets. Not all the life’s of the officers were worth one of the children’s. if they dont understand that, then they need to get a crappy little job with no risks.

The term you’re looking for is “willing accomplice to the premeditated mass murder of children.”

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