Nevada. It’s election night. Laxalt, the Republican candidate, is ahead in the count and it seems that the Republicans are on the way to winning control of the Senate. Check out this timeline from Wednesday, November 9:
- The poll workers who are counting ballots and election observers go home for the night at 2230.
- At 2324, all security cameras in the facility fail.
- At 0753 on 10NOV, the security cameras are restored. 8 hours of no video, no observers, a completely unguarded and unobserved room containing up to 70,000 uncounted ballots with minimal security.
- The election officials claim that no one entered the ballot counting rooms in the interim.
- But no proof of fraud, right?
Then the Democrat wins. In every state with mail in voting where ballot counting is delayed, the Democrats pull out amazing wins that defy history, polling, and statistical analysis. There are anomalies like missing camera footage, ballots being delivered in the middle of the night, election observers denied access. People notice and comment on this.
Then the Democrats demand concrete evidence, knowing that it will never be found because they made sure there were no witnesses. They threw out observers, the disabled cameras, the “trust me” attitude of people who, just last week were wishing for our deaths and demanding we be fired because we didn’t want to wear a mask or take a vaccine. Then they called out two divisions of armed troops in the Capitol to prevent protests.
The movie 2000 Mules laid out evidence- there was video of people stuffing ballot boxes. The statistical anomalies. Tons of evidence. All dismissed out of hand. So to those who think that the election was on the up and up, what evidence would you be willing to accept that the election was a fraud? Keeping in mind that a rumor of Russian collusion was enough for many of you in 2016, how much evidence do you need now? What standard will you set?
I am betting that no amount of evidence, video, statistical improbabilities, or other evidence will suffice.
26 Comments
Elrod · November 13, 2022 at 11:22 am
All I can say is:
This. Will. Not. End. Well.
But end it will.
FJB · November 13, 2022 at 12:48 pm
You are most assuredly correct. As long as the people are willing to let someone else deal with the problem it will only get worse. Until it can’t anymore.
Stay safe and prepare accordingly.
GuardDuck · November 13, 2022 at 12:37 pm
I’ve told lefties this before – it hasn’t changed:
Our current voting process is a trust-based model in a trust-based society. We trust the process is open and fair. We trust the people watching and investigating the process.
If a significant number of people question any part of that process it is upon the victor to open the entire process up to review. Not doing so; refusing to do so violates that trust. Refusing to do so is itself proof of fraud.
When the two ladies counting the PTA votes both win – and much of the rest of the PTA says “wait a minute….” – The “winners” saying “trust us” and “no you can’t look at the ballots” is in itself proof of fraud.
Divemedic · November 13, 2022 at 12:52 pm
Well said. Of course you know that I am going to steal much of this comment.
GuardDuck · November 13, 2022 at 1:20 pm
I would hope so. Spread the word.
BobF · November 13, 2022 at 2:00 pm
I would go further than that. I think trust in the voting process is certainly the bedrock of the system, however, at a deeper level I have long wondered if democracy itself isn’t doomed to fail. I wonder this because virtually every aspect of democracy is at the behest of the goodness of man. That is of course what used to be the vast majority of the population.
However, over time I think the numbers of self-serving citizens, the “my way or the highway” types, have continually increased. And they have been bold, assertive, and unforgiving in their actions in contrast to the more low key, gentler types. That, I believe, describes the leadership of two parties, and it is the leadership who control everything.
The bold have successfully tried new and in many cases devastating tactics while the gentler types have watched and allowed it to happen.
mike · November 13, 2022 at 3:57 pm
You would do well to read Federalist 10. It outlines exactly what you are saying ,along with the rest of the problems that come along with democracy. Here, Madison speaks for the Framers in explaining exactly why they selected a Constitutional Republic as our system of government and specifically rejected democracy as an evil system which eventually leads to ruin. In a republic of laws, individual rights are enshrined and protected against the whims of the majority. Not so in a democracy, where nothing matters BUT the majority opinion. The enemy in this country has been deliberately throwing around the misconception that this is a democracy for the last century. It got so bad that so called Republicans routinely use the phrase “our democracy” without batting an eye.
Steve S6 · November 13, 2022 at 5:31 pm
When the yelling Karen said Democracy is majority rule, Smudge the cat replied “So is rape.” Illustrates your point well.
Ben F · November 13, 2022 at 8:33 pm
The source of this quotation is a journal kept by James McHenry (1753-1816) while he was a Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention. On the page where McHenry records the events of the last day of the convention, September 18, 1787, he wrote: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy – A republic replied the Doctor, if you can keep it.”
Divemedic · November 13, 2022 at 5:48 pm
All forms of government always become corrupt. It is because governments are created by humans, and are thus imperfect and subject to those who would seek power over others.
The founders knew this, and set the system up to keep the government weak.
They also installed the reset button in the form of the Second Amendment.
Don't mind me. · November 14, 2022 at 2:52 pm
We don’t live in a Democracy, and never have. Stop using that word.
We live in a Republic. The word “democracy” doesn’t appear at all in the Declaration of Independece, our Constitution nor the Bill of Rights. (It does, however, appear in Karl Marx’ Communist Manifesto numerous times.)
Divemedic · November 14, 2022 at 4:06 pm
We know. If you read his post, he never said we are in a democracy, he said democracy is doomed to fail. We all know what he meant. The democratic process, which is the process whereby this Republic chooses its representatives, it doomed to fail.
Danny · November 13, 2022 at 2:15 pm
If you consider how the government continually insults, taunts and degrades citizens then it’s pretty easy to realize the fraudulent vote counting does indeed happen every single time. Just enough, though … not too much or the phony operations would be too obvious. Just enough …
Look at who is supposedly chief executive — it’s completely insulting to everyone that this barely functional person would be flaunted and shoved in our faces – and lives. Then consider all the ancient, crusty, dusty politicos that doggedly cling to their phony jobs in Washington. And, of course, they insult the populace almost every day.
But isn’t it amazing that most citizens are apparently completely unaware. Or are they?
JK/AR · November 13, 2022 at 3:13 pm
Very nearly Divemedic, placed this link on your immediately previous post (The Twitter Deniers). But I think it’ll be more widely shared on this your most current.
Of late I’m finding it very predictable and tiresome to hear some version of, “But but but, there’s NEVER been a case of problems with mail-in ballots proven!”
Well this Arkie – hence the AR appended to my handle to differentiate myself from the internet plethora of other JKs – At any rate this Arkie would beg to differ.
Might DM, if that ’28 years experienced lawyer’ is still hanging around post this to your Twitter doo dad:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edar/pr/former-state-representative-hudson-hallum-and-father-sentenced-conspiracy-commit
nones · November 13, 2022 at 5:12 pm
The ONLY way this ends is with heads mounted on pikes in front of the capitol building. Lots of heads. This is a winner take all war we are in and evil has a 40-50 year head start. Personally I think that we have lost the war.
Warren · November 13, 2022 at 5:24 pm
Wait till they “find” enough votes to retain the US House.
I remember in 2020, when in Pennsylvania they reported a new traunch of 20,000 votes had been counted “All for Biden” that is a mathematical impossibility, never mind that even if 20,000 people all at once went in intending to vote for Biden, some would screw up and vote for Trump.
Or that thousands of active duty military born in the 1930s to 1950s voted in Georgia. Which could only happen if they voted MIAs ballots. Nothing to see here folks move along.
Or that more mail in “ballots” were returned than sent out.
By some miracle The Dems couldn’t steal Florida from DeSantis in 2018, largely because the Panhandle votes close an hour later and they didn’t know how many votes they needed to manufacture in Broward County in time.
It’s time to accept that the US is never coming back from the Marxist take over. Time to let it go, let it implode, so we can build back better, separate from the blue hives. After the inevitable collapse we need to rebuild with out them, even if they are our friends and relatives, we.must not allow them to come to live with us, otherwise they will vote for the same progressive stupidity because this time it will be different.
Steve · November 13, 2022 at 5:25 pm
How the steal was completed in Arizona
“In my opinion, the machines were programmed to do this, and it was all planned. The process and narrative, both machines and people. It was brilliantly done. They isolated the ballots to replace or not count them in 223 bags. The hard part for them in 2020 and during the primary was getting the ballots to match their manufactured machine count. This way, they have everything isolated in the bags.”
Read this. The machines “didn’t work” until the “rebooted them” in the middle of voting. Dominion changing its’ algorithm to create the desired results?
https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/
Elrod · November 13, 2022 at 6:07 pm
OK, so back to the trust issue, which to me at least, seems central; we’ve watched trust at all levels – governmental, societal, fiduciary – become eroded, to varying degrees within the categories, with some societal groups considerably more aware of the erosion, and much more concerned about it, than others.
At what point does “trust” decline sufficiently to require replacement with a different structure? And what should that replacement structure be, and how will it be implemented? Is it possible to reconstruct a society’s damaged or destroyed trust, and if so, how? In whom can the “trust” be placed to reconstruct that trust?
What I’m thinking of here is Bush and the 2003 Iraq invasion – we went in, wrapped the whole mess up in damn short order then everyone stood around with their dicks in their hands wondering “OK, now what?”
Winning the battle is one thing, resurrecting, then managing, a functional society post-battle with the necessary correctives implemented is a very key component of the equation.
Divemedic · November 13, 2022 at 6:15 pm
To me, the key is that you can’t trust anyone with power. The only way to have a government is to dilute that power to the lowest level possible. The original Constitution had state governments with power, and the Federal government was weak and relatively powerless.
Another is to have Congressmen represent at most 50,000 people each. The Senate be returned to representing and being selected by the State legislature, just as they did prior to the 17th Amendment.
The House represents the people, the Senate represents the states.
Elrod · November 14, 2022 at 9:19 am
Devolve the power as much as possible; I’ll agree with that. Lord Acton had it right.
The name is “the United States of America,” not “America with an all-powerful central government and fifty insignificant subdivisions.”
Which doesn’t mean there is no need to devolve power within each of the fifty states as well, and the question needs to be asked at every turn WHY power is needed at that particular point. Frequently it’s just to satisfy someone’s desire to be in power over something.
Given that our political, educational and societal structure has been “re-done” to remove “personal power over one’s life” and replace it with “governmental directives” there will certainly be resistance to the idea; making one responsible for one’s own life will scare a lot of people. As it should, they’re woefully underprepared for th etask.
While we’re repealing the 16th and 17th we need to incorporate some sort of limitation on holding office. “No more than 2 terms” is popular, but I suspect it needs to go farther to eliminate, and prohibit, the “professional candidate and office holder” class and probably “a whole lot farther”, not just “a little bit.”
Not so sure, though, about increasing the number of Congressional representatives so much; it probably does need to go up because the population has increasd so much since 1789, but the larger the herd the tougher it is to manage. That the Dems want 15 justices on SCOTUS makes me very suspicious about increasing the number of reps in the House.
I seriously doubt we can fix all that’s wrong without……well, that impolite word we can’t say out loud.
Divemedic · November 14, 2022 at 9:55 am
They want 15 justices because they can’t handle the 6-3 split. They need to add at least 4 justices to reclaim the court for their own.
If we had one representative for every 50,000 people:
– your congressman would be easier to reach be more responsive to their electorate.
-He would have less power, with the powers of the House being diluted amongst the other 8,000 congressmen.
– It would be more expensive and difficult to buy congress, simply because there are more of them.
– Less would get done, because it is orders of magnitude more difficult to get a consensus between 8,000 people than it is 435.
Aesop · November 14, 2022 at 2:19 pm
Even that would only work if you required them to serve for free, and limited them to a single term each.
Which would be fine by me.
Roy · November 13, 2022 at 8:32 pm
Our society is almost entirely based on trust, and it is deteriorating fast.
Let me give you a single example that’s not election related; something we all do – drive. When you are out and about in your car, you follow certain rules of the road. You *trust* that everyone else is going to follow those same rules. Drive on the right, stop for the stop sign, look both left and right before pulling out, and stop for the red light. And for the most part, people still do. But in the last ten years or so, I for one have seen and experienced a marked deterioration of people’s “trust based” driving habits. I’m not talking about mundane things like not using turn signals or speeding a little bit, though that’s gotten worse too. I’m talking about more dangerous things like people blatantly running stop signs and red lights. It’s getting worse and worse.
This, like the election theft, is just one more sign of our collapsing civilization. When it finally falls, it’s going to be every man for himself with warlords fighting for control of the crumbs. And when that happens, the people are going to start demanding a strong man – a Caesar.
My reading of history shows that when people start demanding a Caesar, Caesar always shows up. His name might be Julius, or Bonaparte, or Adolf. But he *always* shows up.
Anonymous · November 14, 2022 at 12:08 am
The original Constitution was subverted by an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_escalation attack. If you reboot the country without reinforcing the weak spots, expect to be right back in the same failure situation. If you do the same thing over, why would you expect different results? Only 1 in 100 humans desires liberty, and this includes your children. Ron Paul couldn’t even teach his son Rand to share his liberty worldview.
Jonesy · November 14, 2022 at 11:47 am
Everyone is making good points. There still seems to be a major problem with the elected officials we already have NOT SPEAKING UP, DOING NOTHING.
I get the left is shaming the shit out of anyone who even whispers election fraud. Until we address votes vs ballots, this will continue. Rs are going after votes (live people who vote) and dems are going after ballots, because they can be altered, created, “found” etc. regardless of a real person being behind it or not.
If we don’t cut off the ability to cheat, it will keep happening. And since voting laws are up to each state, that’s where the dems are focusing on getting control. Own the state, and you can engineer wins for the federal and presidential elections.
Aesop · November 15, 2022 at 4:41 pm
Be fair: If it wasn’t for ham-fistedly obvious tactics, the democommunists would have no tactics at all.
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