One week ago, my employer announced that vaccines would be mandatory by November 24. A good number of employees have resigned. It started with non medical staff- the people who work preparing meals, cleaning, etc. A few medical professionals, and not many technical personnel. I don’t yet know why this is so, but the nutrition and environmental services departments are hurting.

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EN2 SS · November 5, 2021 at 8:03 am

They’re not over educated morons? Or over indoctrinated morons? Can actually think for themselves? My body, my choice? Just a few suggestions.

    Divemedic · November 5, 2021 at 9:18 am

    I think it has more to do with there being nowhere else for medical professionals to go. Medicare controls everything.

      EN2 SS · November 5, 2021 at 4:16 pm

      I’ve heard that doctors and nurses are forming their own cooperatives, some take insurance, some don’t, some take Medicare, some don’t, some setup monthly payments and care is free or minimal charges. Some have single practices with signs stating cash only and/or have no malpractice insurance. There are lots of places for every profession to go to, but you do have to think out of the conformist box. That’s what’s made this country the envy of the world, we individually figure out a better way to do things.

        Divemedic · November 6, 2021 at 9:18 am

        Medicare and Medicaid are still the 800 pound gorilla in the room. They drive the medical profession.

        Doctors can’t get privileges at hospitals unless they get the jab, for example. That means if your patients are in the hospital, you can’t do a thing with them.

          EN2 SS · November 6, 2021 at 6:49 pm

          My last two doctors didn’t practice on me in the hospital, I was handed over to staff. And NOBODY can make a doctor or hospital take Medicare or Medicaid.

Miguel GFZ · November 5, 2021 at 8:09 am

I don’t think the Gov was prepared to deal with so many people challenging the mandates.

I believe we will see a rush to SCOTUS on this one.

    Burnt Toast · November 5, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    Given the challenge SCROTUS will do another Dredd Scott.

Don Curton · November 5, 2021 at 8:34 am

At my employment (large chemical manufacturing company), they are going full tilt on propaganda plus offering $1000 bonus cash to take the shot. My opinion is that they are fervently hoping we just fall in line and they won’t have to actually take a stand by firing people. Or not firing people. They want to weasel their way out and still call it a choice, but hope they get 100% compliance. Right now they stand around 55% vaccinated and 45% BFYTW.

I’m in Texas, so I guess we’ll get to see a battle between Biden’s mandate and Abbott’s mandate. I’m ready to walk. This company (and many others) will crater if 45% of the people walk out. Burn it all down.

    ChuckInBama · November 5, 2021 at 9:47 am

    Don- If your employer is similar to my former employer in the way production workers are scheduled (12 hour rotating shifts) it won’t take 45% walking out to shut the facility down. More like 20% would do it. A chemical plant is a 24/7/365 operation. Doesn’t take much to throw it out of rhythm.

      Don Curton · November 5, 2021 at 11:55 am

      Chuck, yup absolutely. I’ve been in this industry for 30 years. And we are starting from a point of being severely understaffed now. Even 5% or 10% would stop most units. We have several units that are running a 3 shift rotation because there aren’t enough technicians to fill out the standard DuPont 4 shift schedule. Unbelievable. I used 45% in my first post cause that’s the number of unvaxed, but a 10% walk-out would be enough to break the bank.

    Sarin · November 5, 2021 at 11:13 am

    My company is offering $2000 for folks to get the jab, or even submit for an exemption. I’m still tooling my religious exemption up. We will see how that goes.

    Wondering how the “intent to preempt” clause in the OSHA filing will impact Texas as well.

    Likewise wondering how the delay to Jan will impact things.

    Feels a lot like the sand is shifting.

      John Wayne · November 5, 2021 at 11:52 am

      The ruling only applies in an Emergency. We are not in an Emergency.

      They don’t announce something 2 months ago and implement it 2 months from now if we were in an Emergency.

Big Ruckus D · November 5, 2021 at 10:20 am

I think this is it. It won’t even matter if the mandate is struck judicially now (and tbere is no certainty of that occurring either IMHO) as this has been a revelation for those not permannently stupifed by ceaseless propoganda.

It has made all too obvious the fact that govt is now running lawlessly at full throttle with all safetys broken or intentionally disabled. It has also revealed that the overwhelming majority of employers view their staff as little more than slaves to be exploited, having the expectation that nealry all employees will capitulate and sacrifice their bodily autonomy, health and life just to retain their paycheck and all benefits downstream of it.

What has surprised me is the large number of people who appear willing to walk when presented with this ultimatum. And that is why life as we’ve known it is now truly over before year end. The number of people either willfully ending their employment, or being fired – since govt is clearly intent on forcing the issue with no regard for the obvious consequences – will leave many firms across a wide range of industries and services entirely unable to deliver whatever product they exist to provide.

This equates to an instant and massive economic dislocation, on top of that caused by so many tightening the belt on non-critical (or perhaps all) expenditures due to being newly unemployed. 30-40% of the workforce gone like a fart in a breeze means virtually everything comes to a stop.

Most disturbing is that this outcome is entirely predictable and knwon by the govt sacks of shit issuing the mandate and the feckless pussies running all these companies that have chosen to follow the dictates of a lawless govt without the slightest whiff of resistance.

Those of us who “get it” now see and accept the inevitability of terrible strife and loss is here within weeks given the absolute intransigence of the tyrants and their minions. This has also permanently damaged the relationship employees have with employers. The apparent 30-40% who are prepared to tell their present employers to FOAD on account of this episode will now view said employers as an enemy on a forward basis.

One does not simply repair such a badly damaged reputation by having acted in a manner so as to have alienated and angered so many people over such a fundamental issue. There is no going back to a dentente now even if the mandate is somehow quickly backed down from; they’ve shown us who they truly are and what they think of us.

And if the mandate is reversed en masse, then they will have further proven themselves to lack any credibility or principles whatsoever. That just gets them an even bigger “fuck you spineless, squishy pieces of shit” from people with the resolve to live their lives out from under the thumb of this monster that has been created.

    Don Shift · November 5, 2021 at 11:39 am

    Here here!

    ChuckInBama · November 6, 2021 at 12:18 am

    And if they expect to replace the folks that are refusing the jab with the illegals streaming into the country, they’ll find out the meaning of “learning curve” as it applies to real-time situations down in the dirt.

Elrod · November 5, 2021 at 1:03 pm

What I’m seeing is the Real Life Equivalent of the lines spoken by one of the characters in Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises:

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”

That will be the path taken by lots of companies: struggle to operate with less-than-skeleton crews, skipping many critical maintenance points, desperately short on material, then collapsing within hours when something major fails, and operational resurrection will require massive inputs of expertise, material, and money, none of which will be reliable or even available.

Last I heard, Biden’s still holding to Dec 8, although it seems some companies picked an earlier date. Christmas is coming and that will affect things in a very artificial way, so I’m figuring by New Year’s the US economy will be fully in the dumper, or so close to it the difference will be indistinguishable, with the rest of the world following by mid-February.

I give it to – maybe – early March until we start hearing gunfire in the streets and lots of it. Whomever is still alive at Christmas 2022 will have some very interesting stories to tell.

I wish it weren’t so, but whomever is driving Slow Joe & Company seems to want it this way. I can only hope that We The People pay them all the respect they’re due for their efforts.

    ChuckInBama · November 6, 2021 at 12:19 am

    Agree to the timeline you point out. This Christmas may be skinny, but Christmas ’22 will be anorexic.

Jonathan · November 5, 2021 at 4:54 pm

While like the mask mandates, the company vac mandate has many holes and options, unfortunately we have seen and are seeing many people who go by headlines instead of reading the details.
What OSHA has put out is 500 pages long and has lots of exceptions and alternates to being vaccinated.
It will also be interesting to see how much OSHA tries to enforce this… Their enforcement has been gutted by courts in the last decade, making enforcing this time consuming of the company pushes back

chine · November 6, 2021 at 2:46 am

Just be patient and hold the line. Within two years, all the vaxxed will be dead from the vax. We, the unvaxxed PureBlood, will still be alive, able to re-shape the country as we wish, without the existing impediments. Besides, ask yourself a question, what is more important, a job or your very life?

    Divemedic · November 6, 2021 at 9:11 am

    Overly dramatic much? If massive deaths were going to result from the Vax, we would be seeing it already. It’s just not happening in those kinds of numbers.

      Jonathan · November 6, 2021 at 9:18 am

      While I suspect we’ll see problems from the vaccination, quite likely significant ones, I doubt there will be deaths measured in percents of the population.
      If there is, unfortunately there won’t be a country left to reshape…

      chine · November 6, 2021 at 3:51 pm

      Overly dramatic? See attached article re: a study by the UK government.

      21stCenturyCassandra · November 6, 2021 at 4:58 pm

      We are seeing it. At least 8,000 deaths, probably much higher.

        Divemedic · November 6, 2021 at 5:38 pm

        Out of, what, half a billion or more vaccinated? Look, I agree that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits for all but the most at risk of the population, but it isn’t going to wipe out everyone.

          EN2 SS · November 6, 2021 at 9:57 pm

          Wasn’t the Swine Flu stopped due to 15 or so deaths? Wasn’t the original polio vaccine stopped for less than 8000 dead?

            Divemedic · November 7, 2021 at 9:24 am

            Yes, and that is why this vaccine shouldn’t be a mandate. However, to say that everyone who gets it will be dead in two years is hyperbolic nonsense, no different than what the Branch Covidians are doing.

      TCK · November 7, 2021 at 1:24 am

      More than a a hundred and fifty thousand dead in less than a year isn’t massive?

        Divemedic · November 7, 2021 at 7:40 am

        The numbers aren’t that high.

          Max Barrage · November 8, 2021 at 11:30 am

          That’s an awfully cavalier attitude towards 150k dead people. How many deaths did it take to kill the swine flu vax, back in the 70s? 50? And that was enough to stop giving it. Now we’re at 150K, plus thousands more with debilitating side effects, and they keep pushing it. Why?

          Divemedic · November 8, 2021 at 12:58 pm

          There is no evidence that 150k deaths are due to the vaccine, so in other words, the number of deaths is nowhere near that high.

          TCK · November 9, 2021 at 4:48 am

          Those numbers come straight from a livestream hosted by senior CDC personnel. Why do you insist that we should ignore them in favor of the numbers provided by a database that relies entirely on self-reporting and which the creators of said database explicitly warn people not to use for statistical analysis?

          Divemedic · November 9, 2021 at 6:22 am

          No. Those numbers were extrapolated from VAERS data. Sorry, but this is firmly in the tinfoil hat zone, unless you can provide a link from a primary source.

Therefore · November 6, 2021 at 6:21 am

Employers seem to fall in two categories. The every worker is easily replaceable and the every worker is needed.

The last time I was an employee vs contractor I got to the point where I and the family had decided that the job was not essential to me.

HR person called me in. Told me to sign a new employment contract with a new salary. My answer was “no, I’m willing to negotiate.” HR drone says no to negotiating.

Me: Okay, I quit.

And started to walk out.

HR goes into panic and 10 minutes later negotiations start. They had forgotten that their employees always have the option of walking.

TNfdxwrkr · November 6, 2021 at 10:50 am

Here in MEM working for FedEx, word is that they’ll comply with the fed’s illegal and unconstitutional overreach beginning 04 Jan. Fred S. didn’t get to where he is today by making bad business decisions though, he knows that losing even a small percentage of hub/ramp personnel, much less pilots and aircraft mx techs, will be disastrous for FDX. The lower-tier jobs (sort, etc.) could possibly have temps put in, but as for pilots and mx techs, it takes years (and millions of dollars) to get those folks up to speed to turn loose in the skies or start tearing aircraft apart. Also, a bill just went through a special TN chicom bug legislative session countering Xi Den’s illegal and unconstitutional mandate. As we speak, the bill is sitting on Bill Lee’s desk waiting to be signed into law. FedEx legal will be watching this very closely. We’ll see where ALPA weighs in on this also, as they represent the huge group of pilots….

Cyclops · November 6, 2021 at 1:15 pm

I fall into the Dec 8 federal contractor group. 1/3 of the workforce on the contract is unvaccinated and we’re already below what’s considered a skeleton crew. I’d really like to see them try to keep everything going with 150 people, especially when the people they will lose are the most productive workers they have.
There’s no way to funnel the jobs to illegals because it’s a federal contract with a security clearance. The company that is currently servicing the contract fired over 100 people the minute they took over and now they have such a bad reputation that no locals wants to work for them.
Word on the street is that the company will approve every religious or medical exemption that is filed but that DoD will blanket deny them all. Basically DoD will shield the company from being sued and force the lawsuits to be filed against the gov’t instead.

    EN2 SS · November 6, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    I believe there were illegals found working in secure sections of the government. Just look at the Clintoons and Obozo’s administrations, a very large percentage of their appointments couldn’t get security clearances, but they went to work anyway.

Beans · November 7, 2021 at 3:28 am

I’ve been contemplating why Housekeeping and Nutrition is most affected and the answer came to me, once I really thought about it.

Who consists, percentage-wise, of the most unvaxxed of groups of people? Why, it’s a certain minority. Who consists, percentage-wise, of most of the housekeeping and nutrition jobs at a hospital? Why, it’s the same certain minority.

Simple as that. Low-level, low-pay, low-requirement jobs, able to be filled by, overwhelmingly, lower-educated people often with some troubles in the past that would not allow them to get a nursing or tech job.

And these people can go work at the local school, or a hotel or other low-level, low-pay, low-education required positions.

This whole thing is why I’ve seen actual nurses say “Screw it” and go do something else, like one who became the video editor for her family’s various you-tube channels.

    Divemedic · November 7, 2021 at 7:38 am

    But this is Florida. Nutrition and Housekeeping are largely Hispanic or non-Hispanic white. A significant portion of nursing is black.

      Beans · November 7, 2021 at 11:55 pm

      In North Central Florida, where I is, Nutrition and Housekeeping are mostly black. Lower level nursing is mostly Filipino. Hispanics are more found in construction and in housekeeping at hotels/motels.

      The low-level, low-prestige jobs are almost caste-like here. Seriously. Blacks have low-level jobs at the University and at the hospitals. Hispanics the hotel trade. Weird.

      Except that… HR at the hospitals and the university and the city are all controlled by black ‘gangs’ or more truthfully ‘extended families.’ While the HR at most hotel chains are controlled by hispanics.

        Jonathan · November 9, 2021 at 5:58 pm

        I would think that food service, maintenance, etc can most easily find jobs outside of healthcare, so they have options that medical professionals don’t…

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