I have seen a meme on social media, something about “Arguing with a leftist largely consists of them deliberately pretending to not understand something that is obvious, and then arguing against that misstated position.” What you are describing is a logical fallacy called a strawman argument. We see it everywhere. I don’t think its entirely ignorance, I think in many cases the leftist you are arguing with knows they are being disingenuous, but they are hoping others are too stupid to know it.
A leftist blog complains about a gun dealer who has lost his FFL, stopped selling actual firearms, and pivots to selling parts and accessories for firearms. One of the major misstatements is this:
The M16 bolt carrier group is the part worth flagging. It’s legal to own and common in semi-auto builds. But it’s also a prerequisite for converting an AR-15 to full-automatic because the geometry of a standard AR-15 carrier won’t work with an auto sear.
Of course, they fail to mention that there are several parts required to convert an AR15 into full auto, and the full auto BCG is only one of them. The one the ATF has chosen to define as the key component of converting an AR15 to a machine gun is the auto sear. If an FA BCG is legal to own, then why wouldn’t the store be able to sell them?
The blog article then meanders off topic into the non sequitur of COVID death rates in the same county where the gun dealer is located:
People there apparently were so anti-life, they maintained the highest death rate from COVID-19 compared to any other county in the nation: One death out of every 132 people.
before pivoting into yet another accusation that this is because they are all racist there because something racist once happened there:
Speaking of heavily armed white supremacists being anti-life, Mann today still lives in an area known for the 1989 naming of “noose road“, near a sundown town of many lynchings. It was said in Hays, Kansas that “Blacks were not allowed to stay overnight”, keeping alive a Jim Crow “legacy that kind of hung over the town going back to the lynching.”
Then goes on to babble about another unrelated meandering:
On the same day Custombilt filed for bankruptcy, California Attorney General Rob Bonta filed a lawsuit against distribution of 3D-printable ghost gun files and machine gun conversion devices. One state is suing over digital blueprints. Another is goosing a revoked dealer to liquidate physical machine gun components from a bankruptcy warehouse into unknown “noose” hands, no questions asked.
Showing that the left doesn’t REALLY support the First Amendment, or they would realize publishing plans is protected speech. Still, that last quote is about as coherent as Joe Biden rambling about Corn Pop and children braiding his leg hair. (That’s how you use a non sequitur for maximum effect.)
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JimmyPx · February 9, 2026 at 9:59 am
I learned long ago not to even bother discussing just about ANYTHING with a Lefty.
Their mind is made up, don’t bother them with the facts !
If you ever DO debate them you’ll find out their depth of knowledge on the issue is an inch deep and based on emotion, As soon as they lose they start with the straw man arguments and personal attacks.
It’s a big waste of your time, so don’t even bother.
TRX · February 11, 2026 at 9:01 am
What you have to keep in mind is that they’re been taught from childhood that feelings *are* facts, and that all points of view are equally valid. Which is why you have nutball things like “indigenous peoples medicine”, which the Democrats want your insurance company to pay for. Sacrificing a goat to cure cancer is just as valid as chemo, and to deny that makes you a racist.
Jonesy · February 9, 2026 at 3:26 pm
I try to be open minded with people, but it’s almost impossible in this current political climate. There is very little you can do with those who are hell bent on power at any cost. Lie, cheat, steal to win no matter what. Using those tactics to create narratives that manipulate and whip up emotions to support their efforts creates a constant barrage of misinformation. It’s exhausting.
ghostsniper · February 9, 2026 at 4:22 pm
All leftists are either stupid or liars or both. It is not possible to hold a leftist position while being intelligent and truthful. You don’t have to scratch the leftist very deep to bottom out. As JimmyPX said, they will quickly go emotional and then it’s all down hill after that.
You can save yourself a lot of time and turmoil if you realize this fact and NEVER engage a leftist in debate, ever. You can’t win on an intellectual level because leftists are severely under qualified.
If you are adamant in causing a leftist to see the error of their ways there is only one proven way to make this happen and that is to bring them directly into the fray and make them a victim of their own beliefs.
As (supposedly) Tyson said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.” For the past 30-40 years the criminal gov’t public school teachers have prevented hundreds of thousands of faces from being punched and these people are running loose in the US thinking there are no consequences for their childish and/or criminal behavior.
Yes, you, American Patriot, you can save your country if you are brave. Every time you punch a leftist soundly in the face to where their clock has rung you will have instantly converted an adult child into an adult adult right on the spot. Course, if you punch it too hard you will kill it, but either way the country and the world will be better off for your contribution to freedom.
Don’t argue, PUNCH!
Michael · February 9, 2026 at 6:51 pm
Yes, you, American Patriot, you can save your country if you are brave.
Lead by example.
Tsgt Joe · February 9, 2026 at 9:14 pm
I’m not saying dont punch a lefty if you need to protect yourself or others but dont expect to convert them with fists. Some of “ nasty” leftys have their identities wrapped up being “savior of democracy” that they are incapable of seeing real issues let alone debating them. It’s all emotion and hate. Merely suggesting that its wrong to hate folks who see the world differently gets you a shit load of abuse. If you dont hate those MAGGOTS you must be a subhuman too! By the way, if you see me trying to debate a lefty, punch me in the head. Save me some pain.
ghostsniper · February 10, 2026 at 9:43 am
I went another direction. I don’t want to be arrested. So 20 years ago I spent about $500k moving to a very remote and rural location on small acreage in a dense forest. We like it here and rarely leave and we rarely see other people except for close friends and family.
There is very little likelihood that I will encounter a screeching communist.
If one or more comes violently onto our property they will be instantly treated as any other major threat and dispatched on the spot.
ghostsniper · February 9, 2026 at 4:47 pm
OK, I went and read the article you linked, and from there I looked at the firearm website of concern.
This is the crucial claim on that leftist blog:
“They’re literally selling a machine gun designation without keeping records.”
Read it again. What does that even mean? How does one sell a “machine gun designation”?
It’s gibberish right out of the gate.
IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!
But it doesn’t have to because the entire article was written by a leftist FOR other leftists.
The retarded writer (blog owner) is stroking his kin.
Other leftists aren’t intelligent enough to see the lie in the words.
That blog owner, one Davi Ottenheimer (Every Single Time) is in desperate need of a solid punch in the face. I implore you, anyone, to help this poor child trapped in an adults body to grow the fuck up.
Punch that ass in the face today!
JimmyPx · February 9, 2026 at 5:45 pm
The problem is Lefties have NEVER bought a gun, never been in a gun store and have no knowledge of the current gun laws.
To this day these aholes will say “there needs to be background checks on gun purchases”.
You then tell them there have been for freaking decades and the system is run by the Federal government.
When you tell them this they get a glazed look and ignore your point. They think you walk into a gun store and it’s like the movie the Terminator where the Terminator says “fully automatic uzi, etc, etc” and it’s like buying a pack of gum and you can pay cash no questions asked.
I’ve ticked some of these idiots off over the years because I say totally seriously that if they refuse to know the current federal gun laws then they are talking gibberish and I can’t debate or discuss the issue with them.
Tsgt Joe · February 9, 2026 at 9:20 pm
Some of the brown shirts have guns and even know how to use them. It wont be gun knowledge that gives them the edge it will be their willingness to firebomb your house in the middle of the night. Your kids, well they must be subhuman like you so its ok.
TRX · February 11, 2026 at 9:12 am
I used to wonder how things like the Troubles in Northern Ireland or the purges in Sarajevo came about. How could the social order have broken down to the point that half of their society wanted the other half stripped of civil rights and herded into concentration camps? And then started killing to try to make it happen?
I suspect I’m seeing something similar here, now.
Boom Shakka Lakka Lakka · February 9, 2026 at 7:13 pm
Somebody wiser than I am once opined something along the lines of :
“You can’t logic a man out of a position that he didn’t logic himself into.”.
Jester · February 9, 2026 at 9:39 pm
Honestly its a lot all of this. I remember when Sandy Hook happened I happened to be in a dead zone for most radio and thought I’d listen to NPR. They were going on about how you can just buy any gun you want off the internet. (the hosts of whatever fuckery show) and ammo came by the crate that was more deadly than you can get in the stores. You can get all the parts you want to convert your AR15s to a more deadly military grade rifle, you can buy fully auto AKs and super high damage hollow point bullets that should be a destructive device like a gernade. I did call the show, got to the screener and when asked what I wanted to talk about, said well generally all of the above is very untrue, there’s a process and a background check for example to puchase a gun online. Goes to an FFL, etc etc. And tried to mention a couple other things were just misinformed. “That is not the narritive we wish to talk about today on such a somber day” Then I was hung up on. Incidentally that was the last time I even clicked over to NPR. I
I as well don’t really debate with the leftists as 90% of the time they just end up screeching like a cage of monkeys when you counter their points or arguments. The ones that are more centrist (And there’s not much though they all think they are) you can have some disscussions with though even them these days are on default to MAGA is evil and anything that does not just try to build everyone in with MAGA as evil is, well evil.
Remember folks, no one ever gets in to a conflict (war) thinking the creator sides with anyone but themselves and especally not their perceived foes.
No one starts a war thinking they are going to lose or are in the wrong.
Remember, the Japanese were willing to fight to the last man, military and civilian aside, to the point even where you had people flinging themselves off cliffs as US forces closed in. Because they belived we were the evil devil and would kill them anyway.
I’ve said it here before but this is a paraphrase from a fiction book I read but it illustrates things perfectly.
Who would be more dangerous in the long run? A 6’6″ 300 pound male that wants to swipe your phone, wallet or purse and if you draw on them instantly backs down? Or a 5 foot nothing 100 pound woman that wrongly thinks, but thinks with everything core to her and soul that you have stolen her child from her and are going to harm it? You’ve done nothing to her but she thinks for every fiber of her being that you indeed have done something and are the biggest threat on the planet. She’s gonna stop at nothing to get you.
That’s the radical left and a growing amount of the left sadly. And you’re just as dead if it’s some large antifa shocktroop, a 5 foot nothing woman, someone from the screaming circus of the 69th dildo batallion, the feds, the internal reds, the Chinese or a blue on blue shot because Clyde Teh Bubba did not know muzzle control and shot you in the back. Or Clyde ran his mouth and lost operational security on about anything. Dead is dead.
Remember that old saying about firearms? God created all men, Sam Colt made them all equals? When range time is done and you are downrange in an operational enviroment remember, the rounds go both ways now.
Unknownsailor · February 10, 2026 at 12:48 am
The key think you have to understand about a progressive is that they marinate in moral righteousness all day long. Their entire world view depends on it. They are the people Thomas Sowell was talking about when in 1995 he wrote the book Visions of the Anointed.
Progressives are the anointed.
All things are downstream from their good intentions, and pathological altruism. Results? Trade offs? 2nd order effects? Irrelevent! I care, therefore what policies I care about will work, because I care, The End™.
It is exactly that shallow.
I argued gun control on a large forum for over 20 years. I know every argument they have, and I also know all of them are crap. THEY DON’T CARE. Their moral outrage is all that matters, and because they are outraged, any opposition to what they want is by default evil, and therefore the person making the argument is evil, and can be ignored.
I don’t bother any more. All I tell them now is a variation of something I saw Mike Vanderboegh say:
I won’t comply. You can’t have them. You are gonna have to make me. If you do, I will resist. I won’t go after the police, they are just following orders. I will come after you, because the police are acting in your stead. Are you so convinced of your moral righteousness that you are willing to be a martyr for the cause?
Michael · February 10, 2026 at 6:37 am
1st rule is don’t end up in prison for stupid acts. The Leftists OPERATE in permissive environments and as I see it their upper echelon are not afraid to make OTHER folks martyrs to INFLUENCE the opinions of the fence sitters of their RIGHTIOUS CAUSE.
Useful idiots are expendable like ammo to draw OUR fire and thus ID for their spotters the most valuable targets to eliminate.
They are well ahead of us in the information war. They own the media. They own the political support and courts-police support in their areas.
AND like January 6th pointed out for those with eyes to see they fully understand subversion of “Patriots” and establish effective useful idiot traps to control the narrative to Joe 6 pack the TARGET of their psyops efforts.
After all the above is exactly how the American Revolution USED a bunch of drunken fools throwing snowballs at a British Soldier generating the propaganda event known as the “Boston Massacre”.
SNIP The Boston Massacre, known in Great Britain as the Incident on King Street,[1] was a confrontation, on March 5, 1770, during the American Revolution in Boston in what was then the colonial-era Province of Massachusetts Bay.
In the confrontation, nine British soldiers shot several in a crowd, estimated between 300 and 400, who were harassing them verbally and throwing various projectiles. The event was subsequently described as “a massacre” by Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and other leading Patriots who later became central proponents of independence during the American Revolution and Revolutionary War.[2][3] British troops had been stationed in the Province of Massachusetts Bay since 1768 in order to support Crown-appointed officials and to enforce unpopular legislation implemented by the British Parliament.
Sounds a LOT like the ICE riots doesn’t it?
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