There are many people who ask: “Why do you need to carry a gun? Can’t you just have a TASER? There is no need to kill someone.” Well, here is a great video that explains why TASERs aren’t really effective all that often. (Sorry, YouTube has age restricted this video and it can’t be embedded.)
Note that this guy took two solid Taser hits, shook them off, and then attacked the cop. The cop then had to shoot this critter. Even after being shot three times, he still managed to keep fleeing for another 31 seconds. Sadly, Norway lost another of its fine, upstanding children.
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Birdog357 · August 9, 2024 at 9:46 am
I can only carry so much shit on my belt. So I’m going to carry the moat effective tool with the limited amount of carrying capacity I have. I that means bad guys end up assuming room temp instead of 3 hots and a cot, so be it, they made their choice.
It's just Boris · August 9, 2024 at 10:09 am
I’ve thought for some time that “less than lethal” options might in reality make policing more difficult.
Jonathan · August 9, 2024 at 12:24 pm
One of the challenges of “less lethal” is that what is strong enough to stop some will kill others and what won’t kill anyone won’t stop everybody.
Numerous people with health problems have been killed by tasers. It’s been shown in some departments that officers become MUCH more likely to resort to violence when they have a non lethal option available – and several officers have killed people because they drew their gun instead of their Taser.
I have one but am not a fan of them.
Tree Mike · August 9, 2024 at 1:03 pm
Looked like a case of terminal bad decisions.
Chris in Nanuet. · August 11, 2024 at 10:25 am
It’s sad. Lethal force was unnecessary IMHO. All the police had to do was wait, follow him home, more back up arrives. Even two police on one perp without any weapons and they had to shoot him.
Divemedic · August 11, 2024 at 10:49 am
I disagree. There is no way to know if he had weapons in his house and would present an even larger threat. If you think an unarmed man doesn’t pose a threat, I redirect you to the Travon Martin, Mike Brown, and half a dozen other shootings of “unarmed” men.
As a paramedic and as a nurse, I have tried to subdue “unarmed” men on many occasions, and it is MUCH more difficult than you think it is.
AK · August 18, 2024 at 10:58 am
Sure, wait until he barricades up in his house with an AR or AK and starts hosing down the neighborhood.
Maybe you should volunteer to ride along and be the first to grapple a +200 lb drugged-out mass of muscle, after you had a nice, soothing talk with him.
It’d be the empathetic thing to do.
IcyReaper · August 9, 2024 at 1:34 pm
Drugs or mental issues can make these folks real hard to stop or even to kill, short of a head shot. This is why I tell my wife that in case something happens, don’t fuck around go to the gun and don’t stop shooting until the perp is down and room temp. Also when you run dry reload immediately just in case. I have personally seen someone absorb 12 rounds of 9mm center mass and keep coming so you have to be ready or in case of he has friends around. She cant shoot big caliber handguns so is limited in gun sizing..
TakeAHardLook · August 9, 2024 at 2:02 pm
The “less than lethal” options perhaps all evolved from the “proportionate response” that police departments began to use st s time when there began to be large civilian blowback after shootings.
The law-abiding CCW citizen doesn’t require–or have the time or ability–to acquire proficiency in command language/baton/MACE/Taser/firearm. I roll out the door with my CCW firearm of choice and that’s that.
I stay out of sketchy areas, mind my business, stay in “Condition Yellow” at minimum and hope to get home unmolested.
TRX · August 9, 2024 at 2:56 pm
There’s no such thing as a non-lethal weapon. Even bad guys can be allergic to pepper spray or have a heart attack when tasered.
I don’t know how Florida works, but in my state a death by pepper spray or taser is considered ‘intent to harm” and treated the same as shooting or knifing them.
It’s hard enough to stop an attacker high on PCP or ‘bath salts’ with a 9mm or .40. If you go through any “deadly force” training, the instructors will usually tell you of plenty of incidents where someone shrugged off multiple pistol and shotgun hits and lived to be tried in court.
Dan D. · August 9, 2024 at 2:57 pm
I carred a Taser, drawn with my off hand, for years in church security. My reasoned approach was proportional escalation of force if deescalation techniques were not working with a bad guy *not holding* a weapon. Two notes I’ll add: first, a church service is a highly constrained situation while, say, your front yard or the street in town is not. Second, the Tasers cops use have time-use restrictions on them that “civ” versions do not.
Training class at my house, via a local sheriff deputy, showed that even against paper targets, getting both barbs to stick was around 25%. Not awesome.
I did also carry a G19 with alternating rounds for soft body armor and flesh. But unless you’re going for the head shot, syncope in someone taking a couple of rounds can be 10 seconds away. Depends on what is in their blood. And if they need to simply be stopped or terminated.
Lots of dials on this control panel to obtain the sound you want…
Beans · August 9, 2024 at 3:04 pm
And this, about tasers, has been known since pretty much Day 1 of taser and other ‘less than lethal’ weapons. Tasers work on about 70% of people who aren’t on drugs nor have neurological issues nor wearing heavy clothes.
Against people on drugs and heavy clothes the percentage drops, rapidly, depending on the drugs and amounts, to almost 0%.
And neurological issues can and do mess with tasers. Case at University of Florida, where a foreign student was wigging out and being a threat. He had some neurological issues and had to walk with two canes, I think it was MS. UF police hit him with tasers, no stop at all. Bean bag rounds, no stop at all. Pepperballs and CS gas, still no stop at all. They finally popped him with some 5.56 love and thunder, and he finally stopped. Still alive, but stopped.
joe · August 9, 2024 at 7:59 pm
guy on wet took 10 cycles and he was still walking…took 6 of us to get him cuffed…they are a great tool when they work which is most of the time…i think that guys rain jacket was a factor, it sounded like there wasn’t a good “connection”…i think the guy was high as hell on something also…
that was a scary ass video…those officers flagged one another i don’t know how many times…the first guy took his eyes off the suspect multiple times…neither officer had any air of confidence or command presence whatsoever…
Mark · August 10, 2024 at 6:21 am
The only good taser is a 10mm HP taser
Gasman1075 · August 10, 2024 at 9:35 pm
Some people just need killin
Jester · August 11, 2024 at 12:45 am
I had got tazered once or twice as part of the Army training. Stone sober it had 0 effect, even if they pressed the discharge device to my back while being held up. I was the lesson that some folks are not effected by them and to not trust them to solve the issue. Let alone if someone’s hocked up on various drugs.
Divemedic · August 11, 2024 at 10:37 am
Drive stunning (what they did to you) is different from using the darts. While the shock is being delivered, there is nothing a person can do, your muscles WILL NOT work. The issue with TASERS is that they require a lot of conditions to work properly. Maybe I will do a post explaining it.
Dan D. · August 12, 2024 at 11:57 am
IMC for the win, all the time.
This is total Occam’s razor stuff; if they didn’t work they wouldn’t still be fielded.
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