I post this to show you an interesting situation. Watch the video below and see comments below:
To begin with, the cops during the traffic stop were taunting the intoxicated man and attempting to escalate the situation so they could get him to do something that would permit a felony arrest. They were being assholes. It’s easy to be the bully when you are armed and outnumber the unarmed target of your abuse three to intoxicated one.
The intoxicated man decided that he was going to get revenge, called 911, and executed an ambush. Two officers were killed and one wounded.
That’s all I want to talk about in this case. Instead I want to point out that one intoxicated man successfully ambushed three cops. Now ask what would happen when cops decide to exceed the tolerance of the citizens they are sworn to serve. What could two, three, or ten armed citizens accomplish once they decide that they are going to hunt?
30 Comments
Birdog357 · June 29, 2024 at 11:23 am
Have you heard about the LARGE quantity of NYPD gear cone missing? 200 uniforms, encrypted radios and full decal kits for cruisers. Food for thought….
Michael · June 29, 2024 at 11:54 am
My concern is not all police (at least in Rural NH) are assholes. Maybe because I still do EMS and work with them often, but I find how you act has a lot to do with how your treated.
Even the young policemen if shown the respect you should give to any civilized neighbor have been well received by my area. But then again, we have Laura’s Law and bad policemen are fired after an investigation that includes locals. No police investigating police here in the Live free or die state.
Drunks are not heroes. We make nasty comments about the “Amish” not having impulse control and acting out for any or no reason.
Ambush one of my friends I’ll help them with the response.
And thus the “rifle behind every blade of grass” shoot up each other.
Not going to be pretty when it’s a free fire zone.
Divemedic · June 29, 2024 at 2:59 pm
Normally, I agree. The issue is how the cop was acting during the stop. He was deliberately taunting the guy. He wanted a confrontation and got one, but the one he got was more than he could handle.
Still, that wasn’t the point of this post. When the spicy time comes, cops will need to be a lot less dictatorial
Michael · June 29, 2024 at 3:23 pm
I agree that that Cop should not have been taunting-escalating the situation. 180 degrees from their training in academy.
I suggest that like NH police, they need to be Less dictatorial long before spicy times.
WHY? Because People REMEMBER Insults for years. A little late to be kind after SHTF.
As Robert Heinlein said
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon
I’ve found in the over 2 decades of medical military service that a calm polite approach has reduced the troubles me and my medics had to deal with in many warzones from the Sandbox to Bosnia.
Still works wonders in EMS response even as of two nights ago, when a few angry drunks were sure we were not treating their buddy right. Did I get yelled at? Yep. Did one spit in my face? yep. Did they quiet down and apologize while we were packaging their buddy for the trip to the ER. Yep.
I could have been a “superior to you” smart ass to them and gotten a lot of trouble for myself, the driver and my assistant medic.
I can wash off spit. I don’t like having to be responsible for my team getting application of tire irons on them for arrogance.
Cederq · June 29, 2024 at 12:12 pm
I don’t see a down side. Was Brutcher injured during the exchange of lead? If Brutcher was that intoxed, why wasn’t he arrested and hauled to jail?
Divemedic · June 29, 2024 at 2:59 pm
He was shot and killed
Dirty Dingus McGee · June 29, 2024 at 1:40 pm
“Now ask what would happen when cops decide to exceed the tolerance of the citizens they are sworn to serve.”
Dallas PD should be able to give an accurate answer to that;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
JT · June 29, 2024 at 1:50 pm
I read somewhere once something to the effect of ” at the onset of every civil and/or revolutionary war in history, local, low level beurocrats are always the first victims”.
Not sure the validity of that statement but it sure rings true to me.
Marvin Heymeyer is a prime example of the damage one pissed off man can do. Had he included some form of firepower in his rampage it would have been a much different outcome.
I have no sympathy.
WallPhone · June 29, 2024 at 6:53 pm
Oh he indeed had .50 BMG equipped on his last hurrah. His plate armor shifted and compromised the planned line of fire, so he wasn’t able to connect his shots, but he indeed tried to shoot out a new gun port.
Lori G · June 29, 2024 at 5:04 pm
Police see a lot of what drunk drivers do. They pull dead people, dead children out of wrecks that drunk drivers cause. They do this over and over again, year after year. Sometimes police are hostile to drunk drivers to encourage them not to do it again, thereby hoping to save lives. Sometimes they just get angry because there is no reason to drive drunk and risk killing people. Murdering police who are trying to hold society together by dealing with this crap is not the answer. Perhaps it would have been better for them to throw that man in the slammer until he sobered up. I feel for the police involved, their wives, and their children.
Divemedic · June 29, 2024 at 7:08 pm
It isn’t the job of police to goad and bully people so they can have a reason to arrest them. If we allow that, we might as well return to lynch mobs.
Lori G · June 30, 2024 at 3:59 am
I thought drunk driving was enough reason to arrest someone; it is in most states. Now you can see why; let the guy sober up and maybe he wouldn’t commit murders.
Divemedic · June 30, 2024 at 8:01 am
Yet they didn’t arrest him. Instead, at 0:13, 0:39, and 0:43, they taunt and bully him. If they had simply arrested him, I would support them in their actions, but they didn’t do that. Why?
Because the man who did the shooting wasn’t driving. His brother was. According to an investigation:
They wanted felony charges against Nicholas, or perhaps they just get off on bullying the guy. They wanted a violent confrontation, and they got one. It was just more of a confrontation than they were expecting. They taunted a man who was a gun owner, was under enormous strain, and finally had had enough.
I don’t condone what he did, but I understand it. The cops would do well to remember that they can’t always get away with being tyrannical assholes.
Aesop · June 30, 2024 at 11:26 am
Look at the upside.
The recidivism rate on being tyrannical @$$holes, for two of those @$$holes will now be 0%, forever.
The important question is whether that will induce the ones who remain afterwards to do their jobs better, or worse.
Skyler the Weird · July 1, 2024 at 6:33 am
Were any of the three officers who bullied him at the traffic stop shot during the ambush or was it other officers that responded to the fake 911 call?
JT · June 29, 2024 at 7:51 pm
Lori,
That is a great sentiment and I get where you are coming from, BUT, lots of people see the results of drunk driving. Cops are not special in that regard by a long shot. I have a bro in law, a nephew, a nephew in law and a cousin who are police. Every one of them drink and drive on the regular. Above it all and such. When my state was in the midst of concealed carry legislation it was revealed that police commit crimes at 12 times the rate of concealed carry holders. They are not our betters and I do not treat them as such. To be clear, I do not think all cops are bad apples anymore than people in general are all bad apples but just as with every person I interact with I treat them with the same respect they treat me with. All I saw in that video was pricks experiencing a healthy dose of karma. Food for thought for WROL !
Reconsider · June 29, 2024 at 10:59 pm
This whole thing is utterly fucking horrific. Cops doing whatever they did, and dead scumbag ambushing a totally different group of cops for whatever the first lot did. And your thinly veiled bullshit comments about not making a comment. Worried that might be fed-posting or something huh??? Look, I don’t care, you do you.
This SHIT is how you will eventually lose access to your semi-auto rifles. The average person on the street will focus on the tool he used rather than how much the cops “deserved” it. That entire event was utterly fucking horrifying. I don’t care what the cops did, and either will 99.99% of “normies”. That was a fucking nightmare.
Divemedic · June 30, 2024 at 7:55 am
Not Fed posting. I didn’t want this to turn into a post about “did the cops deserve it or not” but instead wanted to take aim at the concept of “your rifles are powerless against the government.”
I’m sorry that you are so offended that the cops got ambushed. I’m not. Events like this are the canary in the coal mine. People are beginning to see through the veneer of cops being the good guys. They aren’t, and Sheriff Andy Taylor just doesn’t exist any longer.
The cops who were killed may not have been directly involved, but they were still guilty of covering for the guys who were abusing that man.
Chris Mallory · June 30, 2024 at 3:37 pm
Cops have spend decades at war with the American people. They are starting to reap some of the whirlwind they have spend years sowing. Not gonna shed a tear for them. As for “different group” They are all in the same gang. Wear the colors, you are responsible for what your fellow gang members do.
TCK · July 1, 2024 at 1:45 am
If you spend years declaring that The People are your enemy, then you forfeit the right to complain about The People taking you at your word and treating you accordingly.
Michael · June 30, 2024 at 2:53 am
I think you might have seen this Divemedic:
https://moonbattery.com/los-angeles-begins-to-burn/
Civilization requires honest and reliable laws and enforcement to keep the chaos at bay.
Thugs in uniform are not the answer. Fearful don’t wanna be Raycesst and shit Police are worse than useless.
As Franklin said “A Republic, IF you can keep it”. It requires citizens to actually show up to town and city meetings to demand accountability from their “Representees and Police”.
I suspect we are well past that remedy.
Skeptic · June 30, 2024 at 8:30 am
Anytime you see something referred to as a “takeover,” it’s probably black in origin.
Mark · June 30, 2024 at 5:55 am
Life choices have inevitable consequences.
Dan D. · June 30, 2024 at 10:09 am
Our country appears to be in the Krylon Rebuild phase prior to collapse. Rather than wring my hands and say “Why me?” I will continue to better myself for I, my family and my tribe. My cup still runneth over.
IcyReaper · June 30, 2024 at 11:45 am
What does this say about the state of our country in general that it has come to this with cops and the discussion afterwards. Look at the cities now recruiting illegals for LEO, that sure as hell isn’t going to turn out better! For those who think things will somehow go back to normal after a savior ( Orange man is not who you think he is, neither are the Republicans) comes to rescue everyone, its not gonna happen no one is coming to save you or us. Realize that now while you can and prepare to free yourself….
jimmyPx · June 30, 2024 at 12:42 pm
10 years ago, I dated a lady who was a deputy sheriff (Sgt) with 20 years experience in a rural county in Florida. She was telling me that guys were joining the PD then who had gotten out of the Army or Marines and were treating locals like they did Iraqis or Afghanis.
She warned them that country people (and their families) have LONG memories and if you screwed over the wrong person, they would ambush your ass on a country road some night.
She told the sheriff that many of these guys didn’t have the temperament to be cops.
She was overruled and many of these “billy badasses” are cops today.
wojtek · June 30, 2024 at 2:51 pm
I think that it should be mentioned that none of the cops that got shot was involved in the scene we saw on the video.
Divemedic · June 30, 2024 at 6:57 pm
You carry the gun, wear the uniform, collect the check. You are a combatant. The “good” cops cover for the bad ones. That makes them all bad cops.
It’s going to get worse.
wojtek · June 30, 2024 at 9:26 pm
No. We’re all individuals and we are responsible for our own actions. There is no indication that the kids that got killed did anything wrong. In fact the cop who pushed the guy in the video in my opinion dissolved a tense situation rather well. That’s not provoking, that’s how you sometimes have to deal with aggressive drunkards. It is clear they did not want to arrest him. Their colleagues paid the price.
Bill · June 30, 2024 at 5:11 pm
It shouldn’t still amaze me that people who have done everything in their power to rip up the social contract are shocked when they get paper cuts.
The status will continue to become less quo.