The CDC has banned the Johnson and Johnson COVID vaccine and ordered all health care providers to destroy all remaining doses. I will say that I remember when claiming this vaccine was bad for you would get you a ban from social media. I’m betting that the friendly folks at the CDC and in government knew this all along, since they gave themselves AND the vaccine manufacturers complete immunity from all legal liability.
I will begin this by saying that I got the Moderna vaccine. I don’t regret getting it, because no one I know suffered ill effects after receiving it. At this point, I will not suggest that anyone take another dose of any of the COVID vaccines.
All of society, all of civilization, relies on trust. You trust that the person behind you won’t shove you onto the subway tracks. You trust that the cars in the oncoming lane won’t swerve into your path. You trust that the person who just cooked your meal in the restaurant didn’t poison your meal, or that the waiter didn’t spit in it.
Like society, the entire scientific community, the entire medical community relies on trust. You trust that the supplies in the package that says “sterile” actually IS sterile. You trust that the vial labelled as “dopamine” doesn’t contain something else, and that it actually will work for its intended use.
Likewise, when other medical professionals tell you that a vaccine is safe and effective, you have no choice but to believe them, because a failure in that trust means that the entire system will fail.
Believe it or not, nearly every medical professional got into the medical field because they want to make a difference. They want to help people. Only a person that is truly psychotic would deliberately harm someone else, but that is exactly what the CDC and the rest of the government has done.
Not only did they make the choice to deliberately harm people, but they did something that is far, far worse. They damaged the trust that underpinned the medical profession, and by extension, all of civilization. This was a deliberate attack. Not just a biological warfare attack, but an attack on the very fabric of our society.
EDIT: Now that Godwin’s law has shown its head, comments are closed.
26 Comments
EN2 SS · May 17, 2023 at 9:56 pm
Sorry, but I must disagree with:
Believe it or not, nearly every medical professional got into the medical field because they want to make a difference. They want to help people. Only a person that is truly psychotic would deliberately harm someone else, but that is exactly what the CDC and the rest of the government has done.
After the evil done by the government AND the medical profession, I don’t trust either for anything. I do trust my two doctors, both of which NEVER mentioned, much less recommended, the Clotshots.
Fido · May 17, 2023 at 10:04 pm
Nothing personal, but I no longer believe there *are* any doctors, or rather, if there are, they’ve had their licenses revoked.
I can imagine no possible series of events that could ever restore that trust in the remainder of my life, and I suspect that will prove true for society at large for three generations.
There are no authorities now. No doctors, no lawyers, no police, no goverment. It’s *all* fake and gay. Criminal daemons wearing the skins of the institutions they killed, and *demanding* respect.
crowhouse · May 17, 2023 at 10:26 pm
You took an experimental vaccine for an illness with well over a 99% survivability rate? Fail.
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 6:57 am
I also take the flu vaccine. I don’t see a difference.
Steve · May 17, 2023 at 10:40 pm
Yes, but…
Largely based on that trust, my family and I lived early 2020 differently than we would otherwise have. Not trust in government — that is for the feebleminded. Trust in the people who have the intelligence and background to evaluate health information, i.e., the doctors, nurses, etc. But by late April or early May, I was forced to accept the unthinkable. Either the entire medical establishment was incompetent or corrupt.
As a Professional Engineer skilled in data analysis, there was no other alternative. Either my internist had no idea what he was talking about or he was advising against to my interests. I choose to believe the former. Much more peace of mind to think he was just stupid.
Rather than continue under the care of an idiot (at best), I chose to switch to my wife’s doc, entirely on the basis of the fact he offered the jab, but when asked. said he wouldn’t advise it for someone in my good health.
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 7:01 am
Other medical professionals told us that the vaccine was tested. That it was safe. Same as for any other vaccine or drug that we give. Those of us on the front lines were lied to.
Did we as a profession give people the vaccine? Sure did. But we aren’t the ones who mandated it, were we?
Steve · May 18, 2023 at 9:38 am
Sorry, but the docs had access to information at least as good as what I had access to. Anyone who did not blink when the Diamond Princess data said almost the exact opposite of what the government was saying about corona has no business offering medical advice.
“Oooh, but the government lied to us!” Of course they did. That’s what governments do.
Steve · May 18, 2023 at 9:43 am
Oh, and the shot? I wasn’t actually talking about that, but… I did a lot of work for medical device companies. 100% of those run by lawyers, scientists or engineers did not mandate the jab. My guess is the lawyers knew it might expose them to liability, the others because they know just changing the package you put a product in has a lengthy approval process.
The ones I know who did require the jab were run by MBAs and marketing types. That’s fine. I never liked working with them anyway.
McChuck · May 18, 2023 at 11:46 am
“Did we as a profession give people the vaccine? Sure did. But we aren’t the ones who mandated it, were we?”
“We were just following our orders.”
wojtek · May 18, 2023 at 7:28 am
Let’s not exaggerate, absolute majority of doctor’s do not have the knowledge and skills needed to evaluate whether a medication is safe or not. I dare to say with high probability none of the nurses have it. They all however know what protocols are and are taught to trust those. If they didn’t, many more people would die prematurely.
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 7:36 am
Exactly. How many iron workers are fit to judge whether or not an engineered skyscraper’s plans are structurally sound?
How many plumbers have the knowledge to analyze the materials of the pipes they are installing? How do you know it’s copper? Do you check?
The same goes for engineers. If you are designing a structure, you trust that the materials you use are within specifications, right?
There is no single profession on this planet that doesn’t trust other professions with important decisions.
Remember that it wasn’t the health care providers that mandated the vaccines.
High Trust Is Over · May 17, 2023 at 11:10 pm
Getting rid of the evidence?
Red States got the “hot” batches with all the depop features.
Anonymous · May 17, 2023 at 11:46 pm
to give ThemB a taste of what they force fed US.
anonymous coward · May 18, 2023 at 4:37 am
I heard the J&J was the safer of the three vaxes, because it was made like a traditional vax.
Joe Blow · May 18, 2023 at 5:35 am
You are so correct. Much like what is happening with our gov, once lost, trust does not just come back, even if earned.
I had a poor opinion of the medical industry. ($$$) beforehand, but I was still respectful. 8+ years in college, anatomy and physio… man, thats some tough stuff. You gotta have chops to make it that far.
Then the kung flu came.
I respected these people not for the uniform they wore, but the work it took to get there. I got a Ba Arts Graphic Design, those premed kids were above my league, must be really smart. Then I had honest and true conversations about the kung flu, and all that entailed. “Look me in the eye and say that again?” And they never would. Cowards lookd down, mumbled sometjing – it all came down to them not wanting to lose their job. AKA: Filthy Lucre.
I cornered them. I hustled them relentlessly after that… people walked away and left the room rather than continue suffering my line of questioning.
Fuck every one of them. They tried to kill me. Hippocratic oath my ass.
Trust is gone. YOU now have to prove you are worthy of my respect. If you supported the jabs, you’re a fucking moron. Any idiot could see they were fucked up from the get go. Hence the immunity clause. Give you a free tip – when every one of those smarmy motherfuckers says “we won’t do it unless…” you know its YOUR ASS is being put in the frying pan. Thats why they want the indemnity – they know/knew damned well what was going to happen.
THAT WAS THE TELL!!!! YOU MISSED IT!!!
Rob · May 18, 2023 at 9:03 am
The part I liked best was being talked down to, like I’m so stupid, and they are so smart, that I just need to shut up and listen and believe! Trust their “science.”
Look back at the history of mRNA. It’s never been successful. It failed while being tried as a livestock “vaccine” during the 80’s. It’s latest failure (before the kung flu) was as a targeted cancer treatment. It’s never worked, and has had some poor side effects at times. It’s never ever been successful.
Trump’s “Warp Speed” program bypassed major testing protocols that would normally be required, in order to declare an “emergency authorization” which ended only days ago.
The “emergency authorization” was only valid if other treatment protocols were not available. Any treatments showing promise had to be squashed.
Some of “decision makers” had to have known that this “vaccine” was not effective, and may have been dangerous to some. The history of this “vaccine” proves that it is.
No one really studied transmission of this virus, how it spread. We took “vaccines” we didn’t need, and wore “masks” that did virtually nothing, and locked down our lives which only destroyed our economy. The cruise ship Diamond Princess, infected with cov-d, was stranded at sea with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew members. There was no treatment protocol. 712 people became infected on board, and 14 passengers died. Out of 3711 people. That should have been thoroughly studied, but was ignored.
It was ignored in favor of billions of dollars in profit; plenty of money to go around. Dr. Fauci owns a lot of stock in Moderna. He profited handsomely. Big Pharms cashed out bigly. And we’re paying for it today, with this inflation rate of about 35%, give or take, because .gov printed trillions to pay for this and other freebies, like the PPP which was defrauded in record amounts.
Notice how virtually everyone began calling a shot a “jab?” It’s always been called a shot. Now it’s a jab? That’s big league propaganda at work, folks, and if you say jab, you were taken in, and probably are taken in by a lot more than that.
No one knows the long term effects of this mRNA. It’s not been studied. I suppose the study is ongoing, with those who took it. Reprogramming your immune system to respond to a particular virus must create problems with your immune response to other conditions. I believe you have compromised yourself. Time will tell.
In my state, there was no treatments offered. I went to two hospitals’ emergency care facilities and was turned away without any treatment. I got very sick, almost died. My wife found a doc in Texas who sent Ivermectin (illegal for cov-d here), and prescribed Budesonide and azithromycin, wiich saved my life. Within two days, I could breathe and was significantly better, largely due to the Budesonide I believe. The entire cost, including consultation, was $120.
I have zero trust in agents of Big Pharma’a profits, current doctors and nurses. Life saving treatments, which were available, were withheld from me, in this state. And the disgust of that person at the pharmacy that filled the Budesonide with the nebulizer and other medication, obviously knew that was a treatment protocol, was infuriating. Looked at me with disgust, for getting medicines that provided for my speedy recovery.
The whole medical industrial complex is corrupt to its core, imo. In my recent experience for sure …..
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 9:22 am
I recovered from COVID without meds. Have you considered that the Dr who gave you those meds conned you? Or is he somehow more trustworthy than the others? I’m a nurse, and honestly anyone who says that I don’t give my patients the absolute best care can kiss my ass.
Bluey · May 18, 2023 at 6:06 am
Living in Australia the “vaccine” rollout was about 6 months behind places like the UK and Israel. It was a blatantly obvious failure by that time, but was still mandated.
Nearly everyone I deal with now has had their trust in the medical profession destroyed. Left wing people generally have kept trust in the governments, but seeing it was predominantly left wing governments enacting all the restrictions and mandates they view it as not effecting them, just the bad people.
The biggest thing for me was the so called values of the western world were demonstrated to be a sham. At least China etc. didn’t pretend.
wojtek · May 18, 2023 at 7:39 am
Unfortunately I am afraid some people – well maybe knew is too strong of a word – had suspicions. E.g., very early on I was told by a colleague who is not an immunologist but who b/c of his position had access to some early data, to avoid the AZ vaccine. It was nothing that he could prove and call it out publicly – even if he had the necessary background – but it made him suspicious enough to tell others. This is however not the job of random doctors or researchers – there are well funded government agencies that are supposed to do this.
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 7:50 am
That’s my point.
Grumpy54 · May 18, 2023 at 9:26 am
I am medical (NP) with over 40 years in the business. I am also one of very few who refused the vaccine (I had had the disease) and was let go……losing a decent $100K + job.
I am old school and was taught to never write for a medicine that hadn’t been out at least 5 years.
AIDS brought about the change of early release for new meds with the idea of “post-release” events being recorded/reported. That means my patients are the new guinea pigs without informed consent. How many people remember Bextra, Vioxx, Rezulin?? These have all been pulled from the market due to patient deaths.
Listen to Joe Rogan’s interview of John Abramson (re FDA and “new” drugs).
We were even using a rapid antigen test which specifically stated in the insert not to be used for screening purposes…… yet these were used to test asymptomatic patients….. and I saw at least 25% positive test in these asymptomatic patients.
I no longer trust the system…….
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 9:59 am
So how do you feel when people say that you are dishonest?
People could blame practitioners who were advising patients to get treatments that they themselves weren’t willing to get. I’m not one of those. I don’t know if you were or not.
You could blame practitioners who were pushing for mandatory vaccines. I’m not one of those.
In fact, I wasn’t even practicing during COVID. I was teaching at the time and didn’t return to the medical field until 2021.
The protocols that required testing every patient were stupid. They were done purely because the hospitals got paid more for patients that were COVID positive. That was a decision made by business people, not doctors.
Anonymous · May 18, 2023 at 9:34 am
My first realization something was really wrong was that real vaccines take a minimum of six years to go through testing, but there was no medical explanation why these jabs could skip that, or why these jabs wouldn’t cause the immune over-sensitization previous jab attempts did. Then not enough people on the cruise ship died. Then very few local homeless people died. I kept coming to work and the streets weren’t full of cars in funeral processions, and they didn’t fill up the graveyards and overflow into the fairgrounds. One thing I could observe with my own eyes were funerals, and there weren’t any. Then the local hospital called the peak based on their own admissions data. After that the hospital talk was all fake PR with no more plots of data, but of course they kept up the burka displays of submission muzzling.
Divemedic · May 18, 2023 at 10:03 am
I agree, that was sketchy when the vaccine bypassed the normal testing phase. I also knew that it was only killing vulnerable populations. Heck, it still is.
I had a patient die a month ago from COVID. He had underlying medical problems, but the COVID was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Like the flu. I get a flu shot every year. Why? Not for me, but to protect my patients.
That was my thinking when I got the Moderna shot, and if I were faced with the same information now that I had then, I would do it again.
It is only through hindsight that I see that we were fooled. That’s not on me, it’s not on front line workers. That rests squarely with the CDC and other government agencies.
Anonymous · May 18, 2023 at 11:20 am
When honest people first get a whiff of a problem, they hesitate and investigate further. Most medical people didn’t do this; some did and the medical-industrial complex tried to ruin them. One definition for “evil” I use is “deliberate failure to learn from experience”. If people can instantly recite all sides of a doublethink from memory, moving the logic error around like a 15-square puzzle, their culpability is knowing and they’re crooks.
Jeff grey · May 18, 2023 at 10:30 am
I was briefly the director of clinical education at a Detroit area hospital in 2001-2. There were still people getting into the medical field to help others then, but they were not even the majority then. Several older doctors on the board for our schools frequently discussed that at the time.
Moving on: I have no training in epidemiology, but always felt that the way the new vaccines were presented with insufficient testing was problematic. When my hospital finally made the shot mandatory I applied for exclusion, and had letters from MD’s why I was not a candidate per previous anaphylaxis from vaccines. I was turned down anyway-so waited till the last day to get the shot. Took the J+J because I decided that the viral vector for the spike protein was probably less likely to cause future DNA problems. My hospital had a waiting room for employees that were high risk patients, and I swear to God the nurse who gave me my shot was CRYING as SHE certainly thought I was going down. Good luck to all that were forced into this- may the future eventually put paid to those who forced this on the world.
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