The community note on this tweet is wrong.

Let me explain. Child support is based upon the sum of the incomes of both parents. There is a chart and a formula. So let’s say that the father has two jobs. One where he works for the fire department, and a second job where he works as a janitor at a theme park. The mother claims to be working 20 hours per week as a bartender making $6 per hour. The child support is calculated and they take 70% of the father’s income for the couple’s two kids, but aren’t taking any of the income from his second job. The amount being taken is still less than 60% of dad’s total income, so they are below the Federal limit.

I would guess that’s what is happening here. The $163 the man is left with is the income from his first job, and he also has income from a second job. The example I used above wasn’t bullshit- that’s what happened to me when I was paying child support. It’s what actually made me homeless. The judge didn’t care. When I told him the money they were leaving me wasn’t enough to survive on because it wasn’t even enough to pay rent, the judge said “Get a second job.” When I pointed out that I already had two jobs, his reply was, “Well, get a third job, then.”

So you do that, and guess what? Now you are making more money, meaning that your child support increases again. It was impossible to get ahead. When I had one job, I was paying $700 per month in child support. I was forced to live on $700 per month. I got a second (part time) job, the wife went back to the judge, and my support went up to $900 per month. But hey, now I had $900 per month to live on.

How was my wife making it? She didn’t have a job. She had $700 per month in child support, $400 worth of food stamps, $300 in earned income credit, $200 per month in WIC, and $300 worth of welfare, plus she was getting $750 a month babysitting two children while their parents were at work. She netted a total of $2650 a month. Yeah, she got half of whatever I was making, plus she got to keep all of her money AND collected all kinds of government assistance money.  That is the equivalent of grossing over $40,000 a year. Meanwhile, I was living below the poverty level on what was left. It is easy to see why many men become “deadbeats.” The child support system is fundamentally unfair, and there is no mechanism in place to ensure that the money actually supports the child.

They take the money right out of your paycheck before you get it. Some men work under the table or drift from job to job to avoid paying. That doesn’t really work. If you try that, they take your professional licenses away. Good luck making a living at anything other than minimum wage without a license. Still, some men work at their own business or have help working under the table. Those men get their passports and driver’s licenses taken. The debt accrues and never goes away, not even in bankruptcy. Eventually, they will toss you in prison if you aren’t paying.

I always knew that my ‘child support’ was going to support their mother, not the kids. That is why things like this always make me angry, when I think about how women use their children to ride the gravy train, while their fathers get accused of being ‘deadbeat dads’ because they can’t afford to pay.

As soon as the kids turned 16, she threw them out of the house and had them live with me. First my son, and a year later, my daughter. As soon as it was no longer profitable, they were unceremoniously thrown out.

She still plays the game to get your tax dollars. Right after the first kid was thrown out, she got a job at WalMart as a cashier, and ‘injured’ her back soon thereafter. She now collects Social Security Disability and collects survivor benefits because the man she married after me passed away. To this day as far as I know, my ex-wife has never had a job her entire adult life other than that one year working at Wal Mart. Now that all three of her kids (2 from me, 1 from the dead guy who came next) are grown and out of the house, she lives in a doublewide trailer near Gainesville with her now elderly mother. Between them, they collect more than $5500 per month in SS benefits.

It’s been twenty years since I last paid child support. It still pisses me off. America’s new class of entrepreneurs are young women having children out of wedlock, or they marry a guy, have a kid, then divorce him, and collect. It may or may not even be his kid. Most people who work for a living actually make far less money than America’s new entrepreneurs. Forget college, the average college graduate only makes $44,000 a year upon graduation after 4 or more years of college. By the age of 20, a young woman can be making more than that with almost no effort, all she has to do is get pregnant a few times.


17 Comments

ghostsniper · May 18, 2026 at 8:20 am

Didja ever notice that every single thing, without exception, this rotten assed criminal gov’t gets involved with it turns to complete shit? What a horrifying institution. Bring it all down. Now.

JimmyPx · May 18, 2026 at 10:34 am

Divemedic, the child support “system” in this country pisses me off more than the fires of 1000 suns !! This is a little long but an abridged version of how I got screwed.

My whore of an ex wife after 16 years marriage (and 3 kids under 10) decides to start whoring behind my back and leaves me for an asshole living in a trailer.
I did nothing wrong nor was accused of doing anything wrong in court but I got raked over the coals by a lesbo judge who hated men. I lost EVERYTHING except my car and rv that I owed money on. I had the same job the whole time (and still do) but went from living in a nice house, no money problems to living in my RV for 4 years broke as a joke.
Loverboy moved from the trailer into MY house and MY bed but they didn’t get married so the alimony wouldn’t stop !! I was living on tuna pbj sandwiches and mac and cheese and they were living it up. She cashed in half of my 401k and he bought a brand new Ram 3500 truck and she an Eddie Bauer Expedition, only the best with my money !

When I brought this up to the judge I was told, “who cares, she has a right to a new life”. Oh and my kids were living in the house seeing this shit as she got full custody.
Finally she got married secretly so he could get custody of HIS kid because he didn’t want to pay child support. Funny thing, she never told me but a little bird told me and I cut alimony.
She was furious but what could she do ?
Loverboy immediately put her to work and she got a job at the post office. Sure enough after a few years, “oh my back” and she’s never worked again and skates on “disability”.

As soon as the kids were 18 and my child support ended out the door they went (except the youngest who loverboy likes). My middle daughter came and lived with me for a few years and she is the only one I have a relationship with. My ex poisoned the other 2 against me.

The system is criminal and if a guy is an honest hard worker he is gonna get screwed.
I remember my lawyer telling me before we went into court “you are going to get fucked and fucked badly but if you do what I say I’ll try to limit the damage”.
Does anyone wonder why security is tighter at the “family courts” than it is at a murder trial ?

Big Daddy · May 18, 2026 at 12:25 pm

For about a year, I was a deputy sheriff serving child support papers. I realized that most of these guys were getting fucked. I did everything I could to keep them out of jail. If someone had an order for arrest, and I could find them, I told them to take whatever money they could come up with even if it was only $50 or something and carry it to the child support office and make a payment and ask them to withdraw the order for arrest. I told him to let me know in 10 days what happened, but I didn’t arrest him. I did tell him that the paper was listed in our local record system so if another deputy stopped him for something they would probably take them to jail, so be careful!

The only ones I would actually arrest were the meth heads who aren’t making any effort at all. All the rest of them I helped out as best as I could. I doubt there are too many other deputies serving child support papers who tried to be helpful so I feel like I did something good for the time I was there.

Child support, child custody, domestic violence, alimony, and divorce laws in general are all completely unfair to a man who is trying to do the right thing.

YourAverageJoe · May 18, 2026 at 12:34 pm

I sometimes catch myself thinking what my life would be like if I had a vasectomy on my 18th birthday

Henry · May 18, 2026 at 1:14 pm

It’s really tough to find any bright spot in our legal system (I refuse to call it the “justice system”), and family court and social services cases more often than not are the worst aspects of it. About all anyone can point to is the lucrative billable hours for the attorneys involved – they always win, no matter how slanted and obscene the outcomes are.

Steve · May 18, 2026 at 1:18 pm

BIL’s story is that his wife got pregnant when he was about 2000 miles away on a short-term contract. She left him, and filed papers. Judge didn’t care that he was not the father, and when the kid came out a different color, they still didn’t care. The paternity test was irrelevant — pay up.

Best friend from college is amazingly similar, but an additional twist — the ex got the court to order payments into a college account. He was not averse to that — he was going to do that for his daughter anyway. His ex raided the college account pretty much every year, and my best friend was stuck paying the penalties for it not having been spent on education. Then the same judge ordered him to fund a college account for the kid from the guy she was shacking up with. Haven’t seen him in years — he became an expat.

When this all comes apart, family court judges are going to deserve every sling and arrow headed their way.

    Steve · May 19, 2026 at 6:29 am

    You are describing Lord Mansfield’s rule where even if the father was in India & the mother was in Britain, the child was declared to be the legitimate issue of the father and the father was responsible. So women screwing fathers out of money with illegitimate children has a long legal history.
    Bar on Parental Testimony: Because of “decency, morality, and policy”, Lord Mansfield’s Rule bars the parents from taking the stand to claim the husband had no access to the wife at the time of conception.

    I’ve read of a case in California where the “father” lost in court, and it came out later that the woman involved picked his name out of the phone book and said, “him…”. DNA, different address, etc didn’t matter. The Legal system was just looking for a pocket to pick, and he got screwed over. This is just one of many examples.

    It doesn’t help men of my age, but this is why the younger generation of men are MGTOW.

Beans · May 18, 2026 at 1:41 pm

And it does not go the other way.

I have a friend who’s wife went crazy and divorced him. Left him with two kids. She got half his pension, ordered to pay child support but hasn’t paid for over 10 years. Yet she doesn’t get her retirement payments docked for non-payment, nor has an arrest warrant been issued or her DL suspended.

Unknownsailor · May 18, 2026 at 1:59 pm

Your story is common. Millions of men have been bent over by family courts, and they talk. Social media allows their stories to reach a wider audience.

MGTOW exists because of this, the cratering marriage statistics exists because of this. Young women are seen as toxic to young men, and are being avoided.

I always have wondered why more of the husbands being raked over the coals like this didn’t just kill their ex.

Steady Steve · May 18, 2026 at 2:15 pm

Yeah, you can be jailed for not paying child support. Despite the Constitution saying debtors prison is abolished. I wonder if some smart lawyer could work on that.

Jax Bungee · May 18, 2026 at 2:26 pm

The Federalist family law section had an article in the past couple months that Kentucky changed their divorce laws – and supposedly Florida has recently followed their lead. The default custody arrangement is to be 50-50, evenly split, and BOTH parents get equal input on all decisions – medical, legal, etc. The article noted, that since the parents have to continue seeing each other, the divorce rates have fallen off a cliff. . .

    Divemedic · May 19, 2026 at 5:54 am

    I looked it up using Florida’s guidelines. In such a 50/50 arrangement where the Father earns a gross of $72k a year and the mother is making $36k, the Father would have to provide health insurance for the children, and would also have to pay about $600 per month for two children. Lower than it was, but still stupidly high.

Jester · May 18, 2026 at 6:19 pm

Perhaps some time I can get out my story but instead let me talk about two of my friends.

Similar deal, baby momma got unquestioned full custody of the kids as most of us have had happen. Both baby mommas were either heavy in to drug or alchol use. Baby momma number one had custody of her two eldest taken from her. Even with so many failed drug tests/booze tube fails she will simply say shes going on a trip to a facility for treatment and the day she leaves (Aways just after a few days) demands the boy back. Courts dont care she lost custody of 2 of her own kids who have testified on my friends behalf that he was/is a great father. She actually when she’s able to work makes more than he does. *Nurse but imagine having someone that’s failed multiple work booze tube tests treating you* He pays no matter what. Great system

Friend 2 payed CS of course and similar situation. About a decade ago baby momma ODed on something or 4 drugs. He filed an emergency placement order. That was granted but he was still ordered to pay child support to someone that mentally was a vegetable. For over a year he had to continue to pay even though he lawyered up and had physical placement 100 percent of the time. Judge told him she needs the money now for care. Took 15 months for him of hearings to finally get a different judge that said no, that stops now. Her estate did not have to repay anything however.

The bottom line is the old title 32 BS. Essentially the court systems get money for every dollar paid though CS, etc. Sometimes its in the order of 3 or 4 to each dollar they get returned from the Feds. So of course they are going to find in favor of the women. (Hey I thought men could be just as nurturing and caring, etc as women) Because honestly most of the time men make more and even if they don’t it’s still found in the females favor. Both of these individuals lived very close to baby momma. So there would have been no school district changes/disruption. There was no reason for CS to be awarded or custody to be awarded as anything but 50/50 except for the state to make money off the situation.

A single incident I endured. I was prepping to deploy to Iraq when my ex bailed. Started to go on all the support programs and filed for CS of course. She was commiting fraud and I had the paperwork to prove it. Claiming she did not have insurance coverage on the kids was a big one, when I was providing 2 different coverages. I had a folder over an inch thick of documentation of everything going on, everything she was pulling that I was prepared to present in the initial hearing for custody and CS. The Judge told me I was an unfit father because I was going to Iraq. I said Sir, Im pleading for custody, shes not only taken them beyond the 180 miles the state allows with out my permission but she is commiting fraud and here’s all the documentation of it! I want to be involved in my children’s lives. He slammed the gavel down and told me the following. “Mr Jester if you speak another word I will hold you in contempt and have you jailed indefinately. And you know that you will be marked AWOL for your deployment and charged with desertion. The penalty is Death!”

Mind you a few years later said Judge was formally censured by the state supreme court for not only not recusing himself in cases that he had direct financial involvement with but actively intimidating defendants. In and outside the courtroom. None of his cases however were overturned, retried or looked at again.

    Divemedic · May 19, 2026 at 5:57 am

    The sad part is that it doesn’t matter who makes how much. The way the formula works is the parent who has custody gets money. I once worked it out and my CS would have been the same whether my ex wife made 100 a month or 10,000 a month. Since judges believe the mom should get custody, the dad wind up paying. The entire system is set up to screw men over.

      Jester · May 19, 2026 at 8:02 pm

      Oh you are totally spot on. The sad part for my best friend is that he keeps scooping up his son everytime she goes on a bender. She’s failed on all levels possible but the courts still feel she’s the better option for general custody vs my friend. That’s what’s fucked up about it.

McChuck · May 19, 2026 at 9:22 am

The solution: A man owes nothing whatsoever to any woman except his lawfully married wife. Children are the sole responsibility of the parent(s) they reside with.

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