There are people who keep claiming that lethal force shouldn’t be used on someone who is unarmed, or only armed with a knife, as if you can only use the exact same weapons as your attacker. The people commenting on the case in New York of the fat murdering cow who killed one, injured another, then shrugged off several Taser hits and charged the cops with her knives is a great example.
Anyone who says anything like this has never done a force on force class. I suggest you try this:
- Arm yourself with a paintball, airsoft, or BB gun.
- Give your training partner a Sharpie. For safety, they should be wearing safety glasses.
- Have them begin 5 feet away from you, then charge you with that sharpie.
- The simulation ends under one of two conditions: you shoot the person twice in the chest or the person marks you once in the head, neck, chest, or the insides of your bicep or thighs.
Why is it so lopsided? Because that’s how self defense works.
Now repeat the test at 10 feet, then 15, then 20. I am betting you will end the day covered in sharpie marks, any one of which could have been fatal if delivered by a knife instead of a marker. As a person armed in a self defense situation, are you willing to roll those dice? With that in mind, how close will you let a person with murderous intent and armed with an edged weapon get before you shoot them?
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JimmyPx · September 1, 2026 at 8:31 am
The dumbasses ripping on the cops forget that that this woman just MURDERED someone and attempted to murder someone else. They TRIED to taser her and it didn’t work and she refused to drop the weapons, so she FA and found out.
I know that there are bad apple cops but they do a critical job that must be done in society and get a lot of shit for it. If the cops didn’t stop her the odds are great that she would have killed OTHER people.
anonymous · September 1, 2026 at 9:13 am
A classic “suicide by cop” if there’s ever been one. The several laser spots dancing upon her torso speak volumes. The bullets even more.
footintheforest · September 1, 2026 at 10:24 am
If you have an edged weapon and come within 25 feet of me I will kill you.
Jonesy · September 1, 2026 at 10:56 am
Your force on force class suggestion is exactly what people need to understand how dangerous these situations can be.
As part of my regular MA training, I do this several times a year. Gun vs knife, and knife vs knife, which is truly horrifying. Even with years of training, 40% of the time, I get the equivalent of a serious or fatal injury. To quote my FMA instructor, “winners drip, losers gush”
Carrying a gun is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and it’s not just distance management. If you don’t get good hits, preferably on the nervous system, you can still be gravely injured.
dave in pa · September 1, 2026 at 11:16 am
ever hear of the 21 foot rule ? NEVER let anyone with a edged weapon get within 21 feet of you.
they be able to hurt or kill you with ease. Christ, I was taught that over 50 years ago now.
beside all that, did she not ALREADY stab 2 others ? yeah. I wonder why they even wasted time with a Tazer with her. just shoot the bitch and be done with it.
Georgiaboy61 · September 1, 2026 at 12:00 pm
@Jonesy
Re: “To quote my FMA instructor, “winners drip, losers gush”
Yep, that’s my experience as well over twenty years as a martial artist including being an instructor. As Dive Medic states, the exercise with a Sharpie is a good to teach students – and yourself if you need reminding – that fights involving edged weapons are seldom clean. Someone is going to bleed.
This woman was more dangerous than she at first appeared. She not only had two weapons, one in each hand, but she was visibly mentally unstable, which means unpredictable. The police showed a good bit of restraint not capping her then and there.
One of my teachers, a martial artist of many years experience, considers knives to be as dangerous as firearms because of how easily they can be concealed and the fact that they take virtually no training to use effectively.
Jonesy · September 1, 2026 at 6:11 pm
@Georgiaboy,
After some of the knife techniques I’ve seen and trained, I don’t know which is worse; getting shot or getting slashed/stabbed in a vital area.
Another consideration is alot of MA systems like FMA teach you blade combat/efficient killing. Michael Janovich developed martial blade concepts (MBC), which takes elements from FMA and filters it through modern self defense. Defending yourself with a blade but looking at disabling your opponent rather than going for the kill. Worthwhile layer of knowledge to stay out of jail for 2nd degree murder or manslaughter
CE · September 1, 2026 at 1:27 pm
It appears the police exhibited much more patience than I would have, expected.
Jim · September 1, 2026 at 2:51 pm
She got justice as far as I’m concerned. It reminds me of the Pulitzer prize photo of the South Vietnamese General who summarily executed a VC during the Tet offensive. The picture looked bad but it turned out the man had murdered a friend of his and his whole family.
Snuffy · September 1, 2026 at 3:22 pm
On a positive note, looked like the cop who shot her was black. No race card to be played here.
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