The EU has a law that takes effect next year- it would mandate that cars made after June 2024 have installed in their innards a device that allows the government to remotely limit when, where, and at what speeds the car can be driven.
The State of New York is proposing similar legislation, calling it a “safety measure.” New York City is also proposing that the devices be added to the vehicles of people with older cars who are caught speeding.
The limiting device, once installed, would bar vehicles from traveling no more than 5 mph above the posted speed limit. The devices would have to be installed in cars caught six or more times by an automated speed camera.
Now go back and refer to my post about updates to electronic devices being updated and changed without your permission before you proceed with this post.
This isn’t about speeding. New York makes far too much money from speed cameras each year. $100 million each year, in fact. There is no way that they are getting rid of this income stream. No, this is not intended to stop speeding. It’s obviously for another reason.
How long do you think it will take before this device has been expanded to limit or stop people from driving to a political protest? Or from preventing anyone who doesn’t vote for Democrats from driving? Or even disable the cars of Republicans on election day? This is a way for the government to remotely control the people.
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D · August 3, 2023 at 11:12 am
> There is no way that they are getting rid of this income stream.
> The limiting device, once installed, would bar vehicles from traveling no more than 5 mph above the posted speed limit.
They’ll mandate these devices for tracking and control…but the devices still allow people to do 5-over…so they’ll still get speeding tickets….and probably no longer using cameras. The device will just report back that you went 5-over for more than 30 seconds and automatically issue you a ticket.
God help you if you’re rushing a family member to the ER. The system might even disable your vehicle.
Jonesy · August 3, 2023 at 12:47 pm
I lump this together with all the smart home crap. While that might offer some convenience, it could be exploited in the future (state control of your thermostat?) Adding a limiting device to cars, there is zero upside for the consumer for adding this capability in vehicles. And you know the cost of this will be passed on to the consumer.
This is pure tyranny, plain and simple. DM states a few potential uses against us, but the possibilities are endless. They could deny you the ability to travel via car for any reason.
D · August 4, 2023 at 9:20 am
While I agree that someone else controlling your home is a bad thing, at the moment someone else is controlling your home “at your request”.
The moment they start *forcing* my thermostat to a specific temperature is the moment I unplug the smart thermostat and grabbing a tiny bit of wire to jumper the “turn the heat on” or “turn the cold on” wire together.
Same with lightbulbs. I have enough non-smart lightbulbs around that I can power my house for a good 10-15 years. If someone ever decided they knew when I should and shouldn’t have light, I’d pull every damn smart thing out and go back to manually flipping the switches.
I think it’s prudent to never install a smart device that can’t be bypassed….but for now they’re convenient and helpful. For example, I’ve been playing with solar for fun. When my batteries start to run low and my smart system calculates (based on weather and time of day) that I will run out of power, it can intelligently shut off things to ensure I have power for “life critical” and “work critical” systems. i.e. “no, you can’t start the clothes dryer at the moment because there won’t be enough power to allow me to work from home”.
Of course software like “Home Assistant” are open source…so no one’s going to be controlling my devices but me.
Unknownsailor · August 3, 2023 at 11:56 am
I would guess that the measure of elapsed time from introduction, to hacked, and therefore useless, will be hours.
If it wasn’t ripped out and replaced outright. Think people can’t get around this kind of stuff?
Divemedic · August 3, 2023 at 12:02 pm
The problem here is that it will be manufactured as part of the car. So you won’t be able to rip it out. The most that will happen is that someone may be able to root or jailbreak cars, like they do with cell phones. I wrote about this awhile back.
Rob · August 3, 2023 at 12:08 pm
The car will not operate if that system has been tampered with, or if interference is made between it and its control center. The work around will likely be difficult, so for the vast majority (not us) their cars will be tethered to their true owners and subject to their whims.
Birdog357 · August 3, 2023 at 12:59 pm
Now go look into the now ubiquitous Flock cameras that are everywhere and think about the tech in this post while you read about Flock…
EN2 SS · August 3, 2023 at 1:00 pm
So the fascists will soon be doing what they are already doing with smart electric meters, home smart items, cell phones, your TV, your routers (AI can use the router wifi signal to “see” just like a camera), anything computer controlled? Welcome to your New World Order.
Divemedic · August 3, 2023 at 2:37 pm
That tech makes it easier for them, but I would guess that they can do other things, too. I would also say that people who have no tech at all will stand out as well.
Phil B · August 3, 2023 at 4:07 pm
Agreed. That is how the German police caught the Baader-Meinhoff gang. They knew they were based in the town so looked at everyone that did not pay their electricity and gas bills by direct debit or cheque (i.e. had to register for a bank account) but only with cash. There were maybe 12 old age pensioners on the list and the gang.
If you stand out as being an anomaly, that is self identifying yourself as a “person of interest” to the authorities.
Joe Blow · August 3, 2023 at 1:59 pm
I used to wonder, like what would be the sign, how would you know the communists really have taken over, bolshevism is coming, etc , etc… like, how would you know that balloon has gone up?
Divemedic · August 3, 2023 at 2:46 pm
I posted on that just after the 2020 election. You can read it here.
https://areaocho.com/vzyali/
The trials have begun.
https://areaocho.com/cia-insurgency-manual/
The show trials MUST happen. I outline why here:
https://areaocho.com/show-trials-4/
You bet your ass that I am closely watching the lists of Republican donors and prominent political figures. If the disappearances begin, you will know that its time to disappear before you hear the knock at your own door.
Steve · August 3, 2023 at 2:10 pm
You are not thinking paranoid enough. For the device to shut you down when “you exceed the speed by 5 mph”, it has to know where you are traveling. I expect that the device will therefore upload to the Gov’t everywhere you travel. You will be tracked. The Gov’t or its’ minions will then be able to use that against you. Cell phone tracking taken to the next level.
Hope you weren’t close to somewhere the Gov’t decides to prosecute people (Jan 6?).
Divemedic · August 3, 2023 at 2:34 pm
I’m not saying that it won’t, but my wife’s car uses the front camera to read the speed limit signs. It then displays the current speed limit on the dash. That sometimes has odd results. We pass a sign that says “School Zone, Speed Limit 20 When Flashing,” and the car will display “20” no matter what.
Old Jalopy · August 3, 2023 at 3:04 pm
It will allow to get where you need to go in the fifteen minute concentration camp cities after the climate lockdowns?
Dave Brown · August 3, 2023 at 5:17 pm
There’s already some high school kid somewhere, or there will be, who’ll figure out a way to get around that shit. Never underestimate the “hotrod” mentality.
Jester · August 3, 2023 at 11:31 pm
Honestly why would it even have to be the .gov doing this? Insurance companies are already taking volunteers that have devices in their vehicles. We monitor you to give you a discount for driving safely? Never mind that how the fuck you drive in a city responsibly while responding to other idiots cutting you off or the like. The .gov won’t even have to mandiate devices in vehicles. The insurance companies will do it for them and like all the social media apps and cell phones gladly hand that over to .gov agencies with out even a warrant.
James · August 4, 2023 at 12:18 am
Rush’s Red Barchetta is more attractive every single day
Aesop · August 4, 2023 at 5:56 pm
Hmmm.
If only someone could figure out a way to take 6″x12″ pieces of cardboard, and paint them to exactly match the license plates of cars belonging to the mayor, chief of police, or any other local, state, or national politicians and their staff members, and then go cruising through speed cameras half a dozen times. Wearing clown masks. Or COVID face diapers. Whatever.
But that would never happen, would it? I mean, it would be illegal!
Shocking.
Gryphon · August 6, 2023 at 5:12 pm
Eventually, this type of “Kontrol” will run into the problem of excessive Complexity, and then failures will happen, or some Hackers will Exploit it – think all Cars in an Urban Area get ‘Bricked’ at once, or Crash because the Brakes get Turned Off. It wouldn’t take many instances of that happening to make it difficult to continue with the program. It won’t be possible to Impair the Mobility of large numbers of people before a significant Minority begins using ‘work-arounds’.
p.s., you DO have a Diesel Vehicle with Mechanical Fuel Injection, don’t you?
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