The left likes to pretend that the road is public, and

  • they have the same right to stand there and block the road as drivers have to drive on the road
  • this is a ‘peaceful protest’
  • until someone tries to get through, then this is considered “violence” against the crowd on the part of the driver that permits them to attack that driver in self defense through a twisted interpretation of “stand your ground”

In other words, allow them to block the road, or get physically attacked by the “peaceful” crowd. They have taken Ghandi’s tactic of sitting there and waiting for the government to use force in removing you- a so called “sit in” and turned it up to level 11 by using force to hold their position.

This is, in my opinion no different than the person who engages in a “peaceful rape,” a peaceful armed robbery, or a peaceful occupation of your house by an armed home invader. It’s the “or else” that changes the act of peaceful protest into an act of violence. This is the threat of force in order to get the public to capitulate to their demands. They are holding the ability to travel and engage in commerce hostage while holding a metaphorical gun to the heads of those who refuse to comply.

They claim that they are unarmed. False. They are armed in that the amount of force that can be brought to bear by a large crowd is far in excess of the capabilities of individuals that would oppose them. The only choices that an individual has is to:

  • Try and reverse down the highway, which is unsafe and impractical or
  • sit there, or
  • Drive through.

Once the person attempts to sit there, the crowd will usually try to disable and/or gain entry to the passenger compartment by breaking the glass. This means that there is only one remaining option is the last one: floor it.

This is nothing more than holding someone against their will. The legal term for this false imprisonment. In Florida, false imprisonment is a felony.

787.02 (1)(a) The term “false imprisonment” means forcibly, by threat, or secretly confining, abducting, imprisoning, or restraining another person without lawful authority and against her or his will.

(b) Confinement of a child under the age of 13 is against her or his will within the meaning of this section if such confinement is without the consent of her or his parent or legal guardian.

(2) A person who commits the offense of false imprisonment is guilty of a felony of the third degree

Since it involves the threat of force, or if the crowd has already used force, a person has the right to use a reasonable amount of force in order to prevent the imminent commission of that felony. That would be the case that I would make, were I forced to drive over the crowd that was attempting to hold me against my will.

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Boba O'Really · June 28, 2023 at 9:15 am

I will not allow myself to be Reginald Denny-ed. Not now, not ever.

Rick T · June 28, 2023 at 9:37 am

Reginald Denny showed what happens if you stop in a riot (and have your doors unlocked). Beaten nearly to death by a cinderblock. I will claim I was in fear of my life and just power thru. Not speeding but also not stopping for anyone or I can move out of the way with my vehicle.

Olguy · June 28, 2023 at 10:31 am

Hell I may turn around and hit the shit stains again.

Toastrider · June 28, 2023 at 10:41 am

The moment someone swings ANYTHING at my car, it’s go time. Hit the gas and devil take the hindmost.

These people have forgotten (or more likely, ignore) the bit in the First Amendment about ‘peaceably assemble’.

I can tolerate peaceable assembly, and even peaceful civil disobedience, no matter if I agree or disagree.

I won’t tolerate thuggery and assault.

    Big Ruckus D · June 28, 2023 at 2:36 pm

    Yes, the very same way they always conveniently ignore “shall not be infringed” in the second. And it is always the very same sort of people making the willful mis-interpretations of plain language of the first and second, as those belligerent pricks blocking the street.

    It’s been a while since the summer of mostly peaceful looting and mass street protests now, but I remember seeing these road “sit ins” and really wishing someone would’ve used drones to deliver some “highly unpleasant payload” over crowds of road blockers. First, they deserved it because they are assholes. Second, it would’ve have put a stop to that shit with the quickness. It also would have triggered a govt overreaction the likes of which had never before been seen, I suspect.

    Ooooh, but that would have been committing an act of the icky “T word”. Yeah, and what was looting and burning multiple cities for political reasons, and forcibly blocking passage of uninvolved motorists, and then injuring or even killing them if they attempted passage anyway? Yeah, that was terrorism, even if it was terrorism the state wanted (and quite obviously did). And they did it because they knew it worked. Worse still, most involved got away clean to do it again the next time the Faggot Butthole Instigators decide they need to foment large scale civil unrest.

    Now, those tactics can be met with other tactics that make their mass assembly and fucking around a very bad idea due to suddenly having a very high personal cost. Of course that possibility could be far better avoided if cops busted their shit up promptly instead of sucking off antifa sorts by giving them cover, which they are obviously commanded to do as a matter of policy.

    Since the state has aligned itself with the bad guys, and is both actively (via police preventing them from being shut down and removed) and passively (via declining to prosecute perps for actual crimes committed) protecting the thugs who do this stuff, it will eventually escalate to a scenario where a non-state actor will make an effective move against it, and the state, naturally, will then flip it’s shit over having it’s monopoly on violence suddenly and very publicly challenged.

    It is to be assumed, in an era such as we now find ourselves, that this is precisely the cause and effect desired by the govt, hence all the memes with a stick wielding fed prodding the aggrieved to “come on, do violence”. Creating the conditions under which such a backlash occurs so the state can claim justification in using highly elevated violence and suspension of all rights against citizens who dare to challenge their supremacy, is an old and time worn tactic of the state.

    Foreknowledge of their antagonism with intent to provoke doesn’t mean it won’t happen. It only means conditions have to get intolerable enough for the oppressed that someone amongst them finally just says “fuck it, nothing left to lose”, and then we have the moment of kickoff.

oldvet50 · June 28, 2023 at 12:54 pm

I agree with all you say but the only problem I see is the jury you will have to contend with. Just look at Daniel Perry in Texas and he had an assault weapon pointed at him (except according to the victim’s friends, the rifle was not pointed at him). The law does not matter anymore.

    Divemedic · June 28, 2023 at 1:16 pm

    Allow me to snip out the irrelevant parts of the statute in Florida:

    776.013(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use:

    (b) Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
    (2) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    (b) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

    (4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
    (5) As used in this section, the term:

    (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

    So you can see that Florida law is quite explicit. If I am driving down the street, and a group of assholes who are in the midst of peacefully redistributing the property of others begin beating on my car, I am well within my legal rights to defend myself from what is a forcible felony.

    Of course, if the rule of law no longer applies, then it doesn’t matter whether or not I defend my life, the crowd will kill me anyhow, or the court will when my show trial comes about, complete with music and dancing by Gilbert and Sullivan.

      Steve · June 28, 2023 at 9:54 pm

      Enter the Heemeyer Mark 2.0, now wiht turret-mounted flammenwerfer.

    Jonesy · June 28, 2023 at 1:41 pm

    Yep…self defense is being criminalized across the board. This will be no different. I agree 100% with the mentality that this is pure mob violence, not peaceful protest, and that once violence is used in this scenario, it’s hammer down.

    Unfortunately, our reponse to this might have to be attenuated a bit. Like did you hit the gas before or after they broke your window? Stuff like that.

    In MI we have the castle doctrine, so deadly force can be used if someone tries to harm you while in your vehicle. However, I can see where a jury might be asked by a DA to question the circumstances of what happened before that. I know, it shouldn’t matter, but alot of people are being indicted lately for things that we would call clear cut self defense.

Michael · June 28, 2023 at 4:02 pm

Be aware that Antifa has developed a tactic of using an orange traffic cone as a weapon against your car. Much like the Umbrellas used to defend against pepper spray and hide their close assaults they are dangerously clever.

A strong blow WILL in many cases get YOUR CAR to deploy Airbags. Saw it in live video from Portland and asked both my friends in the police department and Toyota Service techs and they confirmed.

Might make YOUR car immobilized and full of airbag smoke, while you’re trying to Rambo through the scene.

As a Nurse Divemedic what happens if your struck by deployed airbags?

Like deep water on the road, don’t drown turn around. I’d rather a ticket for wrong way driving than be in an avoidable incident.

Don’t be reactive, they are good at dealing with that between tactics and LAWFARE where the Police ARREST YOU.

Be proactive, maybe at some fairly long distance. Just saying.

Michael · June 28, 2023 at 4:10 pm

Interesting RELATED Today’s article “How YOUR Car Tracks you”

Between Geofencing where YOUR Cellphone On or OFF doesn’t matter tells who, what, where and when you were somewhere and traffic cameras and store CCTV videos that police always collect it’s VERY HARD to “Not BE there” when you’re doing Rambo stuff.

Use your brains first. Rittenhouse could tell you how HIS social media posts (LIKE THIS SITE) was used to “Prove He INTENDED TO DO SOMETHING”. Divemedic could tell you how EASY it is for a DOXX to FIND your fav social medias and such.

THINK, it’s almost Illegal already.

Dirty Dingus McGee · June 28, 2023 at 4:20 pm

Should you be allowed? I think they got the words in the wrong order. You should be allowed is the proper arrangement.

I found myself in downtown ATL near CNN center for a meeting on the day that the jury came back in the Rodney King beating trial.Being as I was going into an area where driving courtesy is an unknown thing, I took my “beater” car, a 79 Impala 4 door. About the time I got out of the meeting was when the locals were deciding it would be good to start tearing up stuff. I was able to make an escape via some side streets, but there was shit thrown at me before I cleared the area. There were more than a couple of the local indigenous population that thought it would be a good idea to block the road, until they noticed I was accelerating and not slowing down. Lucky for me it was at the beginning of the shit show and everyone and their cousin hadn’t got out to “protest” yet. Before the night was over it had gone completely to shit for anyone that was melanin deficient.

Aesop · June 28, 2023 at 6:41 pm

This question was definitively answered back in 1973:

The scoops are on their way. The scoops are on their way.

Anyone struck by a vehicle while protesting in the street should be presumed guilty, and levelling any charges whatsoever against any driver on the roadway declared prima facie illegal, even if they swayed and swerved to rack up a bigger body count, or backed up for another go.

That crap would never happen again.

If your @$$ isn’t tougher than 2-3 tons of steel and bumper, best stay on the sidewalk where you belong.

    Michael · June 29, 2023 at 7:20 am

    Aesop, it’s NOT 1970, welcome to 2023. The Burn Loot Murder thugs and antifa have MORE Legal Protection than mere taxpayers. And IF you’re NOT of the “Protected Class” FEDERAL Civil RIGHTS violations will be applied if needed. Just ask Rittenhouse about that.

    Like throat punching your employer if they forced a not a vaxx on you sounds neat, it never happens. Something about unemployment and assault charges, legal bills and paying for their medical bills.

    Until folks decide to clean up their own sidewalks-streets block by block and figure out how to DO it (instead of keyboard masturbations) AND avoid the many BIG BROTHER systems LOOKING for that action it’s all fantasy.

    The EVIL thing is internet comments can and will be used against you in a court of Kangaroo Law. Again, ask Rittenhouse about the search for his social media posts with “Intent to DO Something”.

    As Ole Remus said, “Stay away from crowds”. I miss that old Gentleman’s wisdom.

      Aesop · June 30, 2023 at 4:33 am

      You labor under multiple misapprehensions, not least of which: I wasn’t going to throat-punch my former employers, had their (eventually toothless) threats come to pass.

      The bigger question: WTF is anyone driving through that nonsense in the first place?
      GTF away.

      But what you’ve totally missed was answering The Question.
      Which was:
      Should we be allowed to drive through crowds if they block the road and threaten violence?

      I answered that question with an unapologetic and unmitigated YES.
      You dissembled with “We’re afraid to go with you Blutto; we might get in trouble!”
      Well…you know the answer to that.

      That’s how rights die, and we got to where we are.
      It’s never the wrong time to do the right thing. – MLK

      If that requires more effort than just showing up, do what you’ve gotta do, in order to do what you’ve gotta do.

      My truck has 3″ pipe bumpers. If anyone wants to slam a cone into that to see if it’ll stop me, I hope their life insurance is paid up through the end of the month.
      Make Blocking Roads Not So Great Again.

        Michael · June 30, 2023 at 7:52 am

        Words NOT Deeds Aesop, fail to impress.

        Feel free to DO something as it happens OFTEN Enough in your target rich California. OR maybe you really DON’T live in Southern California anymore?

        Jail is real, keyboards often obscure that.

        MLK lived in an Era that the LAW was applied quite a bit more fairly than TODAY. Note I didn’t say was applied fairly so spare me your distracting chatter about that.

        TODAY I stand beside my comments that the Burn Loot Murder thugs and Antifa have MORE LEGAL PROTECTION than mere taxpayers.

        And to avoid being an IDIOT Patsy of some “inspirational WORDS” of some keyboard expert in all things law included I stand behind my words:

        Until folks decide to clean up their own sidewalks-streets block by block and figure out how to DO it (instead of keyboard masturbations) AND avoid the many BIG BROTHER systems LOOKING for that action it’s all fantasy.

        The EVIL thing is internet comments can and will be used against you in a court of Kangaroo Law. Again, ask Rittenhouse about the search for his social media posts with “Intent to DO Something”.

        Aesop quote from above: “I answered that question with an unapologetic and unmitigated YES.
        You dissembled with “We’re afraid to go with you Blutto; we might get in trouble!”
        Well…you know the answer to that.”

        So, feel free to “Not advise” as you always demur later folks to DO SOMETHING to show your manhood.

Jester · June 28, 2023 at 7:28 pm

This is yet another reason to avoid large cities. Period. The issue is for those that are required to commute too/from them like our trucker here. I suspect if this shit starts to really become common place there will be a large amount of truckers that just say naw, fuck it. Ill park the rig before rolling though the mobile ghetto. Of course none of these assholes work so why would they care they are preventing others from doing so? why would they care if the trucks stop rolling and 50% to 90% of all the food and stuff they wanna loot just sits in depots or on rail cars? I mean they can drive to those areas and loot it but that’s perhaps a one time shot they have before companies look to the .gov to bring the miltary in to do escorts. I guess we can hope that the uparmored M911s and HETs could roll though the crowds but even in Iraq they got too close and would try to get on the vehicles if there was somethign they wanted bad enough. I don’t think police escorts will be enough in spicy times and again I think that you will just have a lot of trucks and even rail traffic that just say no. Not worth my life. Then the wailing will start. Think the idea of the “food deserts” in the ghettos are bad now? Wait till entire cities are shunned. Bottom line is don’t be in the situation but if something is forced I’m driving straight though. Fuck ’em. Wait till there’s a line of traffic that stops for them and the mob decides to prey on the vehicles that “respect their lives”

Elrod · June 29, 2023 at 9:22 am

Hmmmm. I was unaware that airbag deployment automatically stops the car. I will check my older model to see if hat is true. If so, I think a control switch in the circuit will solve the problem. It is possible that newer cars may have a circuit in the computer that detects airbag deployment and shuts the ignition off.

For cars not having that “feature” however, I suspect a dozen drive-through street clearings, at random events in random places around the country would put an end to it.

Robert · June 29, 2023 at 9:53 am

Hitting a rioter at speed can disable your vehicle. It is important that most of the crowd ahead of you has a chance to get out of your way. Moving at 15-20 mph with horns blaring is a good tactic.

If you are blocked, push through. If you cannot push through, reverse gear and hit the gas hard. If you are still boxed, shift back to forward gear, turn just a little, and hit the gas again. Repeat until the crowd backs off and you have an exit. Go for the exit.

Once you get clear, hit the gas and GTFO.

There is no point in worrying about the law in these conditions. There isn’t any law. There is only a question of your survival. Rioters have tacit support from the authorities, or they would not be there. And you should not be there in the first place. But surprises can happen.

If you do make it home, it might be helpful to call your lawyer. The authorities will eventually come calling on you. Do not argue with them. Do not talk to them. And do not post of your adventures on social media.

Gryphon · June 29, 2023 at 3:27 pm

Saying you’ll Mash the Throttle and Mash the pAntifa is all well and good, but regardless of the “Law”, we can see now that the “Law” exists only to Protect the Corrupt and Criminal, and Punish anyone who tries to Protect themselves… Especially if you are White. The best thing is to Avoid anywhere that the Road is ‘channelized’ with Barriers; this applies equally to Urban and most ‘suburban’ areas. Many Cars are incapable of crossing a Raised Median (Curb) Strip, or crossing a Grass Swale Median. That’s why it is good to drive a 4 x 4 or large ‘SUV’ with higher Ground Clearence.

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