Peter gets into the caliber wars. I was going to comment, but the comment got pretty long, so I decided to post. I happen to be an ED nurse and a paramedic and have seen more than a couple of gunshot wounds. This is my take: The more energy you dump into the target, the more effective each individual shot will be. At ranges of 10 to 50 feet, nothing is nastier than a shotgun. A load of large shot or a slug will flat out stop an attacker nearly every time.
Likewise, a rifle is king at ranges of 50 feet on out. Carbines are a great compromise. So is a skirmish rifle like the one I built a couple of years ago– especially since a .308 will punch through most body armor.
I once had a firearm instructor tell me:
If you know you will be in a gunfight, endeavor not to be there. The easiest gunfight to win is the one you don’t get into. Failing that, bring a long gun. In fact, bring friends with long guns.
Of course, no one never knows when they will be in a gunfight. That means we need to carry a gun all of the time, and carrying long guns is inconvenient, so we carry handguns as a compromise. That’s what handguns are- a compromise. The handgun on your hip is better than the shotgun or rifle in your closet.
It’s simple for me- in a perfect world, you should carry lots of really big, fast moving bullets. All handguns are poor at stopping an attacker. Still, in a full sized handgun, I would carry a large caliber, more powerful handgun over a smaller caliber.
- My M&P9 holds 18 rounds of 9mm, delivering a 115 grain bullet at 1400 FPS, for a total of 500 foot pounds. A handgun in 357 sig is about the same power, but only holds 15 rounds.
- An M&P45 holds 10 rounds, delivering 200 grains at about1000 fps and 500 foot pounds.
- An M&P10 delivers 15 rounds of that 200 grain projectile, but at 1250 fps from a 4.6 inch barrel, meaning you are sending about 700 foot pounds of energy downrange.
Seeing this, you can see that a 10mm holding 15 rounds is a great handgun. Still, I wouldn’t feel undergunned with that M&P9. In fact, I have fullsized M&P’s in 9mm, .357Sig, .40S&W, .45ACP, and 10mm. I love the M&P platform, and any of those calibers would suit me fine.
The problem is that I live in Florida. It’s hot. It’s humid, and open carry it illegal. So as a result, people wear lightweight clothes that make it a challenge to carry full sized handguns, so you leave it at home. Like the rifle in your closet, the handgun in your dresser drawer isn’t doing you any good. As a result, we wind up carrying smaller, more compact handguns. When you start looking at compact handguns, the situation becomes more, shall we say, nuanced.
When it comes to concealing handguns in lightweight clothes, you lose a lot of the advantages of the larger bullets. Now large bullets are slowed down, capacity is reduced.
A subcompact .45 now gives you only get 6 rounds, and the shorter barrel means a slower bullet, perhaps as slow as 800 fps and only 280 foot pounds with a 200 gr bullet.
Similarly, you get the same performance out of .40S&W and out of 10mm with the shortened barrel of a subcompact, and you are now restricted to 8 rounds.
The .357Sig is now delivering 9mm like performance, but with an 8 round magazine.
Subcompacts are where 9mm begins to shine. The Shield Plus is now delivering 13 rounds and with its 3.1 inch barrel you are now sending 115 grain bullets downrange at 1250 fps, delivering 400 foot pounds of energy.
It’s a tradeoff. No handgun is perfect, and each caliber has its advantages and disadvantages. Look at what you are trying to accomplish in light of the restrictions that are being placed upon you by the tactical situation.
That is the reason why I own a lot of handguns, or at least that is how I justify it to myself. To make the manual of arms and shooting easier, I largely only carry one brand. In my case, I shoot the M&P line. You may decide to shoot other models. We all know how rabid fans of the Glock or the 1911 can be. I am not saying that people who shoot those are wrong. I am saying that those handguns are wrong for me. They may be right for you. At least let articles like this get you to think about what you are carrying. If that means you get to buy another gun, is that such a bad idea?
A word about revolvers- I own a few. My little 5 shot model 642 in .38 special gets carried more often than any other. Still, 38special from a 1.88 inch barrel isn’t a great performer. The length is about the same as a compact auto, but Again, compromise. I also have a 4 inch barreled revolver in .357Mag. I don’t carry it as a defensive handgun because, frankly I think revolvers are suboptimal for defensive use- capacity is too low, and reload times are too long.
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Matt · April 8, 2025 at 3:26 pm
I shoot Glock. All gen 3. Thats just what I started with. I shoot them well and I have spare mags and parts for them. I dont think they’re the best. Lots of good guns out there now. Honestly lots of better gun and cheaper. I only have 9mm now. Had a couple of 45s but sold them . My grandson bought his first handgun in January. He bought a M&P 2.0 fullsize. Wonderful gun. If I lived in bear country Id buy a full size 10mm or a long slide. Yeah Id probably buy a Glock.
Nick Flandrey · April 8, 2025 at 6:53 pm
Yeah, Peter doesn’t give much consideration to the logistics and reality of daily carry in that post. My Shield 9mm sits flat against my hip, in a forward canting iwb holster. The grip doesn’t stick out to the side or much break the line of my shirt. It doesn’t try poking holes in the side bolsters of my truck seat. (Buy a cop car at auction and see what a full size on a belt does to car seats.) I use the plus 1 extended mag, and carry an extra mag on the other hip in a repurposed multitool holster.
FBI statistics and surveillance video of actual gun use (in the US) seem to agree that almost all defensive gun use is less than 8 rounds (three rounds is actually average.)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=fbi+statistics+for+number+of+rounds+fired+in+most+gun+uses
I carry my Shield everywhere and every day (except the kids’ school). I don’t carry any of my full size, or even mid sized like the G19, because they don’t conceal as well. I don’t feel under-gunned at all. After all, I’ve actually GOT my gun with me.
Any gun is better than no gun.
nick
Tree Mike · April 8, 2025 at 8:39 pm
Great write up! I have that same Oricle with the fat barrel, swapped out all the furniture for friendlier feels. I put a full length LW, free float handguard on for weight and sight, light, sling mounting. Don’t have the bucks for a LW barrel.
From the mid 70’s till ’91, I carried a Terry Tussey tuned, 1969, Colt Commander. It was a great gun, traded it like a dumbass.
In ’91, I got a G19, it’s still my EDC. With the right kydex, IWB, forward cant, is comfortable and conceals good for me.
My back up carry is a Tisas, 1911, 45, bobtail, Commander size, Carry. Turns out, they are made the new, old fashion way, forged slide, barrel and frame. All other parts are machined out of steel, except the recoil spring plug, which is MIM. All on modern CNC machinery. Right outta the box it was right on, without sight change, at 25ish yards. I like it better than my G19 or any of (the many) 1911’s I’ve had.
JimmyPx · April 8, 2025 at 9:48 pm
Your firearm instructor reminded me of a basic knife fighting class I took.
The instructor was retired military and knew his stuff.
His lesson #1 – NEVER get into a knife fight.
Lesson #2 how to properly hold and wield a knife and how to tell if your opponent knows what he’s doing with a knife.
Lesson #3 If opponent knows what he’s doing, do everything you can to get away.
Lesson #4 If you can’t get away, here’s what you do but in a knife fight with 2 people who know what they are doing, both are going to be cut up bad and/or dead.
Lesson #5 Now after all that I’ve taught you, Don’t ever get into a knife fight.
dave in pa. · April 10, 2025 at 2:33 am
sounds a lot like the guy who showed us how to fight with a knife back in the army many years ago. he was the same guy who drill us on the handgun range. later on in life I realized he was teaching us the same way Fairbain taught back in WW2. the one thing I remember the most was how painful it was after spending time on the hand to hand mat/class.
still, looking back. I am damn glad he took the time to show us guys how to fight.
but that was old school army before it got all “correct” with crap.
as he always told us anything worth shooting once should be shot again to make sure.
TRX · April 9, 2025 at 8:36 am
I’ve carried a gun for a long time, but never had to use it for self-defense until a few months ago, when I was attacked by a dog pack. I have several I rotate between. On day I had decided to carry a 1911 in .460 Rowland.
Bad choice.
The .460 kit has a “compensator” on the barrel to reduce the battering of the internal parts when stepping up from .45 ACP to .44 Magnum ballistics. One side effect of the comp is it diverts a lot of noise back to the shooter. I’d shot the gun a lot at the range – it has some “thump” on recoil – but it’s very accurate and reliable. But I had always shot it with hearing protection, and while the extra noise from the comp was noticeable, it was no big deal.
Without hearing protection, it broke my right eardrum. I’ll be going under the knife soon if the ENT thinks it is fixable. Meanwhile the tinnitus went from “loud” to “car horns in the ears”, and it looks like there will be some degree of permanent hearing loss as well.
Frankly, noise was never a consideration when I was thinking about calibers. And even if I had, I wouldn’t have expected so much damage from firing one (1) round. But most people aren’t stupid enough to shoot what amounts to a .44 Magnum with a muzzle brake.
The .45 ACP has 356 ft-lb of muzzle energy. The .460 has 930 ft-lb, with no difference in accuracy. But I’d probably be better off just carrying a few spare mags and shooting them three times with the .45.
If I had it to do over again, I’d go through the rabies treatment rather than lose so much more of my hearing, which wasn’t all that great to start with.
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TRX · April 9, 2025 at 8:44 am
> The problem is that I live in Florida. It’s hot. It’s humid, and open carry it illegal. So as a result, people wear lightweight clothes that make it a challenge to carry full sized handguns
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Many years ago, Massad Ayoob, who I think was also a Florida resident at the time, commented on that subject. You keep downsizing guns and holsters as clothing gets lighter, but at some point the logical thing is just to go back to a big gun and carry it in a paper bag.
He was being a bit facetious, but you can put a sizeable pistol in some fanny packs. I do that occasionally, when it’s hard to dress around a gun.
Divemedic · April 9, 2025 at 11:51 am
I used to carry in a fanny pack, but no longer do.
Toxicavenger · April 9, 2025 at 10:54 am
Subcompact 9s (Hellcat, P365, etm) are around 12+1. I just got a Taurus G2c in 40 S&W; I believe the G3c is also available in 40. 10+1. Only giving up 2 rounds, and I’ve got a 10 rd mag piece if I’m ever in one of those jurisdictions. The price doesn’t break the bank either…
Gardone VT · April 9, 2025 at 1:20 pm
Nine will roast a cinder block while other rounds just punch holes.
Some 9mm FMJ will travel two feet plus in ballistic gelatin. (Federal American Eagle)
birdog357 · April 10, 2025 at 6:42 am
@DM, I dunno if you’re aware, but the Equalizer mags fit the Shield Plus. I have 15+1 plus a spare 15 in mine that way.
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