The argument that the 2A is only for the militia is still being pushed by the anti-forces, even in light of Heller. If they won’t believe SCOTUS, perhaps they can believe the version of the 2A that was originally passed by the House of Representatives on August 24, 1789:
A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Note that being a member of the Militia didn’t require that a person be a member of an exclusive, limited membership military. It merely required that you be a part of the body of the people.
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Filthie · June 22, 2023 at 8:13 am
It’s all bullshyte.
The 2A says what it means, and means what it says.
Robert · June 22, 2023 at 9:26 am
And the Leftists do not care at all what the 2nd amendment says. They want us disarmed.
They will keep their weapons, of course. Or they will keep minions who have weapons, so they can force obedience to their orders.
The correct response to the Leftists “arguments” is “NO”. Further discussion is not required or particularly effective. The Leftists’ final argument always comes down to force anyway. We will need to respond in kind at some point. “Your Milage May Vary” as they say.
Aesop · June 22, 2023 at 10:54 pm
Really?
How does it read in Canada?
“No guns for you serfs and peons!“, or words to that effect?
Y’all missed your chance in ’77.
D · June 22, 2023 at 9:44 am
As Michael Badnarik says ~”Well, you know…the interpretation of the supreme court is the only one that counts when were talking about the second amendment. Oh really? Well then you come and stand in front of my front door when the government comes to collect my guns. You’re gonna find out that *my* interpretation of the second amendment is the only one you need to be worried about. Make sure you got your insurance paid up and kiss your kids goodbye.”
https://youtu.be/wp-48d_jSb4?t=15203
Toastrider · June 22, 2023 at 9:46 am
They’ve been trying that angle for a while. It falls apart because ‘the militia’ at the time was defined as ‘any and all able bodied men between the ages of 18 and 45’. And ‘well-regulated’ did not mean saddled with red tape and forms, but properly trained and equipped.
Doesn’t stop them from lying, obviously.
Brother John · June 22, 2023 at 9:51 am
My understanding of these issues concerning the militia leads me to the inescapable conclusion that had President Trump believed (and been able to prove) the election had been stolen and under the influence of malign foreign forces, he was quite within his rights to call upon the militia on January 6, 2021 in order to put a stop to it.
Divemedic · June 22, 2023 at 9:59 am
That opens up a different can of worms. Each state legislature decides how its electors will be chosen. If a state decided that it would choose its electors by choosing names at random from the DL database, that is their prerogative. What made 2020 into a rigged election was the executive of certain states decided to ignore the process that was mandated by law (in other words, chosen by the legislature) and change it to allow mailed ballots, weeks long election drop offs, and drop off boxes. Unless authorized by the legislature, this was against the Constitution.
When I was in the military, we would have long discussions while on watch in the wee hours of the morning. The topics were varied. One such topic was “Why do you think private citizens should own guns?”
My reply was “What happens if the government declares a state of emergency for some reason, and the powers that be decide to suspend elections? How does the electorate oppose such an event?”
The general consensus was that I was paranoid because the people wouldn’t allow that to happen. My reply was- “”How would they prevent it, without access to weapons?”
Everyone told me I was crazy.
Big Ruckus D · June 22, 2023 at 10:35 am
And now that such an event has happened (short of the suspended election) we know:
That an overwhelming majority of the people pussed out after being manipulated by fear, so much so that many went along with forcible injections of a shit tier, untested serum that failed to meet any of the asserted claims about its safety and efficacy, under threat of losing their jobs, leaving death and destuction in it’s wake, and
That with all else that has transpired in the last 3.5 years, motherfuckers responsible for it all still aren’t getting pulled out ivory towers, tried on the spot by a people’s jury, convicted, and executed for the crimes they’ve comitted. Which shows just how bad it has to get (worse than the darkest moments of the covid fuckery, anyway) for any such thing to even potentially happen.
I’ll also lay even odds your former compatriots who accused you of being crazy for your position in that little thought exercise would still think you are crazy, even after what has been witnessed since late 2019.
Bottom line, despite bitching and moaning about their suffering under the oppression of tyrants, most peoples guts are like foreskins. They disappear when shit gets hard.
Jax Bungee · June 22, 2023 at 12:36 pm
That takes me back to my first job: performing circumcisions. It only paid 4 skins apiece, but I got to keep the tips, and I always had the chance to get a head. . .
Big Ruckus D · June 22, 2023 at 3:35 pm
Ba dum tiss. I laughed for real, dawg. And these days, I’ll take any laugh I can get. They sure are getting a lot harder to find.
Aesop · June 22, 2023 at 11:08 pm
BRD,
I made this for you in shop class:
https://i.imgur.com/P5yoJ98.png
Big Ruckus D · June 23, 2023 at 2:08 pm
One of my riffs immortalized in an Aesop meme? Well thank you, sir. And here I didn’t think we still had shop class in 2023.
Joe Blow · June 22, 2023 at 10:12 am
The whole argument is wrong. The 2nd Amendment places restrictions on what the government can and cannot do. It does not address citizens, it adresses what the government cannot do to its citizens. The BS about militias is their argument why – because we need a militia (e.g. canons and bombs, not just hunting muskets), the government shall not infringe the right to bear ARMS. A militia that is well armed and regulated is the final check on the federal government gone awry, should the laws fail to contain it.
And lookee where we are! Fedgov argues citizens can’t have ARs b/c its a weapon of war! You’re God damned right it is, and thats why the 2A protects it. That the gov wants to ban citizens from owning one, IS THE VERY REASON IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE FIRST PLACE!
The ignorance on display is breathtakingly astounding!
Breda 37mm · June 22, 2023 at 3:33 pm
They changed the definition of a vaccine to rush the experimental gene “therapy” depop shot into production and the definition of election got changed a few months later.
The COV-LARP was the reset and we are almost down to the bullet box as the soap box is wobbling with all the censors on the loose.
The jury box might still be useful with nullification.
The more time for preparation the better and it is short now.
Jay Dee · June 22, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Our training officer was a prominent local attorney and well versed in the constitution. He had an interesting hypothesis. The second amendment is not about the right to keep and bear arms but rather what defines a free state or government.
At the time the second amendment was written, well-regulated meant smooth or well practiced; proficient. A militia was not to be confused with the military. A militia could fight fires, rescue people from floods, etc. Curtis Sliwa’s Guardian Angels was a militia. The Cajun Navy is a militia. The people filling and stacking sandbags are a militia.
The real dynamite in the second amendment is the prefatory clause that everyone skips over. It says a free state needs a well regulated militia, call it a proficient population. Then as almost an afterthought tells the government not to fool around with the right to keep and bear arms.
In other words, the right to keep and bear arms exists. Government, don’t screw with it.
So what happens when a government goes ahead and infringes anyway? They are no longer a free state. The government has become tyrannical.
Look at the gun control states. Can you honestly say that these are free states? Illinois? Oh Hell no. New Jersey? Nope. California? I need to ask?
OK so California is a tyranny. Now what? Start by reading a truly revolutionary document; own own declaration of independence. It has a number of suggestions starting with the idea that people create governments and can change them as they see fit.
OK. The dweebs in Big Gun Control declare that we’ll revoke that nasty second amendment. By the logic of the second amendment you have declared a tyranny. The second amendment is sucker bait for aspiring tyrants. No self respecting tyranny would tolerate their political opponents possessing guns. Infringing on the right to bear arms is tantamount to declaring a tyranny.
Skyler the Weird · June 22, 2023 at 6:54 pm
The founders weren’t too keen on a large standing army. They called out the Militia for the War of 1812 and the New York Militia decided that they weren’t going to fight outside New York. They stood on the New York side of the Niagara and watched the Federal Troops get cut to pieces as they invaded Canada at Queenstown Heights.
Aesop · June 22, 2023 at 10:51 pm
They. Don’t. Care.
“You cannot argue someone out of a position, using facts and logic, that they did not get themselves into using facts and logic.“
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